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there beyond the realm of mathematics to

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thoroughly tested every lab book just

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Zaius where would we be without because

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we know that by you

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and the highest tide

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all right higher side shadows when it

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comes to what lies in the weird end of

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the paranormal pool you'll find hundreds

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and thousands of experiences that people

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consciousness and a handful of other

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experiences in Pandora's box we've heard

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about these stories before but what

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might have flown a little bit under your

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radar it's just how connected I all seem

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to be to these odd ordeals and we can

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get stranger still because it's the

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curious crossroads between paranormal

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and conspiracy that really lights my

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fire and from the most hidden symbol on

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the dollar bill to the towering stone

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statue at Bohemian Grove it becomes

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obvious the owl is of the utmost

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importance in many of the dark corners

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we like to shed light on and it's

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today's guest Mike Cleland I truly have

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to thank for the big aha moment when it

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comes to owls because he's written the

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quintessential book on these strange

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connections titled the messengers owls

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synchronicity and the UFO abductees Mike

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is also an avid outdoorsman and a

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personal experience or up strange

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phenomenon which he's been cataloging on

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his hidden experience blog along with

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the strange occurrences of others for

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quite some time and if you want to

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explore the strange connections between

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this majestic bird of the night and

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anomalous events there simply is no

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better person on this island earth to do

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it than the owl guy himself a true honor

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to pleasure Mike my man welcome to the

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higher side thank you so much that was a

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great introduction haha thanks man I try

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you know of course thank you for doing

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this I think your work is pretty amazing

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it is quite a niche but it's very cool

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to be the world's foremost expert on

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anything really especially something

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like this and your 400 page book is such

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a fun read because it's story after

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story connection after connection and

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you weave so many of your own related

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experiences throughout it's quite a ride

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but before we get into some of those

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early formative moments for you broadly

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speaking for people who might not be

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familiar with the owls relationship to

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high strangeness give us a bit of an

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overview how strong is this linkage hey

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guys know this is one thing that I've

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come up with it confronted plenty of

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times where I realized that what do they

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call it when you when you try to pitch a

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movie right you know it's called your L

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later speech and got to give some to

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talk in less than a minute or something

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impossible to get the to just you know

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some some personal experiences and then

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initially you know I'm not the first one

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to find notice I mean other other

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researchers and authors have pointed

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this out oftentimes from their own

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personal experiences that there is a

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connection between UFO contact and oh

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screen memory aspect where let's say

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someone has a missing time event that

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they later realizes an abduction there

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might be a sort of curious memory

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related to that driving down the road at

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night and seeing four foot tall owl and

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then arriving home and there some hours

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of story so when you explore that you

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realize that that owl at four foot tall

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owl there's no allah on earth that's

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actually that tall that account doesn't

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really you know that turns out to be

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some sort of psychic curtain or psychic

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costume let's say that the alien entity

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would be projecting into the mind of the

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observer right that shows up enough

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times over and over and again I feel

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like actually a pretty confident thing

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it's straight up like that but my

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interest my deeper interest is real owl

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that show up in the lives of these

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people and initially I had my own set of

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curious owl experiences hit me pretty

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hard and around 2006 and then after that

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and I would ask people the same question

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experience that asked them the same

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question have you ever had an unusual

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experience with owls for an odd

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experience with all and it's not a

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hundred percent but it was enough

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there's enough of a pattern there where

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people say you know that's funny no one

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has ever asked and then they would tell

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so weird and weird in a way that goes

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beyond the screen memory aspect of it

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and weird in a way that kind of I'll

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jump to the conclusion in a way weird in

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a way that makes me think that the

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present owl mythology right so you open

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up a dusty old book in the library on

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mythology it's going to talk about owls

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Egyptian mythology and Babylonian and

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mythology these I will show up and they

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all have this similar theme that they

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bring a message that they're messengers

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mythology is continuing right now

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playing out presently most I mean the

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about the UFO abduction aspect of it but

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people who meditate or people who are in

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shamanic initiation like the process of

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working to be a shaman or people who are

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loved one who has died so I will show up

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contact experience the highly charged

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human experience as is the death of a

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loved one as is deep meditation as is

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shamanic initiation so these other

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realms also share the owl as let's say a

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totem animal and so what I did in the

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book I think and what I wish I could do

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could is just tell stories and often

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story after story after story to prove

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bit in the book and then do a little bit

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of speculation and then see how these

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all these stories kind of link together

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thread with all these accounts mm-hmm

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that's a pretty good summary man and I

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do think I agree that it's the totality

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of these instances these tales that

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really get you to think well there must

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mechanism behind the abduction

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phenomenon behind glowing orbs even they

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strange but there isn't any other animal

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that is connected to this phenomenon

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dear show up in and I think it's funny

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next book and I'm like well the next

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book needs to be the book on deer but I

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don't think I want to write it because I

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just haven't had that many I've been Ted

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any kind of meaningful deer experiences

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but people have so there's a there's a

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you know deer is also a mythic animal

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shows that all over the place and all

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kinds of it has a different symbolism

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it's not as foreboding obviously as an

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owl and the true deer is not as

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intimidating as an owl so yeah so there

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and deer would be the you know the one

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to on the top of the list and then you

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cats and things like that show -

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previous interviews and stuff you

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mentioned deer and that kind of

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surprised me cats I see though you

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mentioned that I think it's Oliver or

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Oscar the cat in the book this cat who

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stayed at a hospital and could tell when

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people were going to die it would spend

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time in their room the day before they

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died I've had my cat stare at weird

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things in the room I know you wrote

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about that - it's weird animals seem to

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be able to see beyond the veil at least

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some species of them can see beyond the

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veil in ways that we can and that's the

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mythology I mean that's absolutely the

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mythology that's what Isles do they see

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into the darkness they see into the

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night I'm Annessa that's a fact right

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that's like you know any owl biologist

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could tell you exactly the reasons why

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and how they see into the darkness but

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ancient man would have known the same

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thing just from observing an owl yeah

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and from that is born the mythology of

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owls seeing into the darkness that very

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quickly becomes a metaphor for seeing

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into other realms now you take that one

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step further the owl has to travel to

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those realms they fly into the darkness

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something we can't do you know and I

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there was no such thing as that so night

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time must have had a very different

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meaning to our ancestors and not even

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our ancient ancestors so the owl would

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fly into the darkness a realm we are

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very uncomfortable with very poorly

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equipped to travel in but the owl is

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very skilled at traveling the darkness

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they would travel to this other realm

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but then the next step the next logical

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step would be they after return they

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have to come back and they with them

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they would bring a message and in it you

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know we I would get these reports and I

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mean I've got cheese I guess I don't

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know how many reports in some form or

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other I've accumulated on the Sala thing

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count them because some of them are a

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little more anecdotal and some of them

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are very thorough but the amount of

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times that people have just said it

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straight up long before it you know

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coined the title of the book they would

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say well now this messenger arrived at

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my windowsill

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you know I you know then I came home

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from work and there was a messenger on

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my doorstep you know they would tell

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about an owl being there and they would

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use the word straight up without any

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prompting from me I love him then and

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let's get into some of those stories so

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it's about maybe some of the strange

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events that brought you down this path

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happened where did this all start for

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you well so in 2006 I was living out

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west I would have been 44 years old I

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think and I was living near Grand Teton

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National Park beautiful place and I was

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doing a lot of camping so I would go out

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for one night it was very normal for me

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just to go out for one night sleep out

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under the stars and then come back it

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was beautiful I lived close to those

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pristine wonderful wilderness

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environment and I met a young woman and

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she had been living in the area all

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summer long and I said oh you must have

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been doing a lot of camping just know I

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never camped once oh that's terrible

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let's go so I took her out camping for

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one night and we didn't bother to bring

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a shelter because just the weather

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report and the you know the weather

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patterns was no reason to we've been you

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know it's gonna be a beautiful night so

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so I think of either the end of

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September very early October if it was

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actually very early October of 2006

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you know we hike into the mountains and

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I am bent I taught for an outdoor school

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for a long time so I'm very comfortable

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in this environment I'm sitting on a big

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flat rock and I'm making dinner and she

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she says something and I think to myself

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like wow yeah but this was a stranger in

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a way it's like this first date in the

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way and you know his complete stranger

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and she says a few things and we're

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talking and I'm like I think myself this

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is really incredible I didn't expect

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this I was impressed it was a depth to

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her that I didn't didn't expect him in

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at that moment and I will flew over

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in a second owl and then a third I will

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flow over and these owls flew around us

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as the Sun said in the moon rose and

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we're in this beautiful environment they

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would land on branch near us and they

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would swoop down low right over us and

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so these three owls just hung out with

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us for the next couple of hours and the

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Sun went down and we laid our sleeping

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pads out on the ground and we laid on

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the ground and look straight up at the

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big starry skies we were up high in the

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mountain so the skies are astounding but

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that latitude and that elevation and for

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just one second thought the stars would

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be blotted out and it would happen

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silently I all slide very quietly and it

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was a really magical powerful experience

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in the next day we walked out we were

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both on fire like oh that was the

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coolest thing ever like owls oh my gosh

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so I said to her like listen I gonna go

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camping I'm gonna give you a call and

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she said great so four days later we

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went camping again so we went to a

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different part of the mountains and

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walked in and it was little colder this

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time and it was cold enough that when it

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came time to go to bed we took a shelter

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in this time to Google tent and let's

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walk up that hill and just go generate

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some heat by walking uphill and watch

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the sunset man come back down and climb

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in the tent will be warm because it was

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just like a little bone-chilling just to

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hang out so we walk up this this gentle

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Hill it's a big wide-open Vista and it

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takes about ten minutes to walk up and

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then we get to the top and as we get to

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the top just hollow lands on a branch

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and then Seconal slides around us in

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this third owl lands right at our feet

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and this is the same person four days

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later and it lasted for about I'm gonna

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say about 45 minutes and this time they

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got really close like astoundingly close

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and these were real owl I talked about

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the screen memory aspect I was well

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aware of UFO reports in Yahoo

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I've been reading UFO books at the time

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so I knew about the scream everything

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right in the moment I was thinking like

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oh gosh you know and these are real owls

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but right in the moment I also had

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another thought which was very clear and

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I didn't say it then but I'm saying it

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now this voice in my head said this has

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something to do with the UFOs and I had

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throughout my life had a handful of

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experiences some in my youth and some as

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a young adult that certainly seemed to

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imply or indicate like UFO contact I

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mean the textbook stuff you would read

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in a book by Budd Hopkins

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I had those experiences I ignored them I

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denied them but when I saw these owls

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close-up real owls

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this voice in my head said this has

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something to do with UFOs in the

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aftermath of that a few years later I

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started an online blog mostly what I was

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writing about initially was my

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synchronicities which I've had a lot of

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and they make for perfect little blog

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posts right you know they're just short

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you can tell them I got a nice little

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punchlines the perfect for a blog site

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sir what happened was when I one of the

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first stories that I put on on the site

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was the story I just told with this

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woman Kristin of seeing that three owls

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two times four days apart in different

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parts of the mountains so I wrote that

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up as an essay in a minute I reached out

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her and I called her up she had long

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since moved away from the area and I

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hadn't been in touch with her in a while

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I called her up we talked on the phone

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and I said you know Chris and I have to

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ask what we talking about the very first

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night when the very first owls appeared

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and she said oh I remember exactly what

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I was talking about I was giving my

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deepest most heartfelt definition of

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what God meant to me and that took an

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already powerful magical experience and

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just picked it into the transcendent and

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I have to say that I treated the subject

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differently after she told me that like

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I recognized the power and what she was

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saying and from that point on I took

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this study and the documentation of this

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very seriously so that so it's been

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going on for you know that was 2009 when

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the blog started so that was been eight

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years now that I've been actively

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studying researching this one little

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small corner and I've just been

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astounded at the at the bottomless pit

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that it is I know you would think that

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you would just collect a few reports and

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write up a little you know three-page

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blog post and be done with it but that's

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not how it played out it is it has had a

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depth that just left me astounded yeah

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man it is quite a rabbit hole and real

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owls are definitely interesting but when

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we look at the stories in the more

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mystical perceived owls category meaning

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visions of owls or seeing them in

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altered states or even these screen

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memories from abduction

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as you mentioned as different as they

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can be have you found any major

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commonalities or conditions that unite

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those type of strange experiences well I

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know that people have taken you know

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mushrooms and there's a woman in the

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book her name is Sean at home and she's

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a shaman she lives in the west coast and

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she wrote about experience with a white

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owl that she encountered while under ah

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quotes referred to her row of those five

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grams of mushrooms shares of that yes I

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mean you know with more power to her yes

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so so she she you know had an experience

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her first experience doing usually when

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you're doing this to comes a point when

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the initiate who's working with a mentor

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has to break away and do the ceremony on

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their own without the tutelage to the

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tutor alongside

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so when she did that she she said she

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was confronted by this huge white owl

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she said her she was in her bedroom she

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said the entire interior of the bedroom

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turned to white feathers and she saw

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this giant like she described it like

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seven-foot tall

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owl you know in her room and they all

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said to her is you are no longer woman

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who yearns you are now a woman who knows

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and in a way that is the transformation

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that transformation from yearning

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to knowing or let's say yearning to

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being comfortable with the unknown that

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may be a better way to put it because I

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don't think anyone truly knows the core

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of what's truly going on with this stuff

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but some people are more comfortable and

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can navigate the waters a little better

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so her account and I later got her on

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phone like listen have you had any UFO

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experience in the city that's claimed

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she'd asked I just had one recently and

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she described this thing where she lying

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her back and there's the skin shiny disc

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up in the nighttime sky and her friend

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both see it they're like oh my gosh

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we're seeing a UFO so so when I asked

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her she could honestly answer yes she

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had had a UFO experience though I don't

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necessarily put her in the category of

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UFO abductees but I put her in this gray

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category of someone who has the same

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transformative experience that a UFO

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contact would have and also this

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powerful experience with owls now this

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woman Shana her account came out of

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Monday and then on Tuesday I get a

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follow up account from another woman and

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her name is Laurie she's just giving me

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permission to use her real name her real

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her name her pseudonym in the book is

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Leslie and she you know basically had

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the mother of all owl stories so her

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account is that her son was about nine

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years old at the time was showing signs

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of like being psychic and this is a

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woman who was very comfortable and at

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peace with her own experiences with

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being a tango full contact so her son is

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showing signs of you know psychic stuff

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so she sits in the backyard and simple

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let's play some games okay let's try

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some dice toss was to guess what the

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next phases then they got a deck of

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cards up guess what the next card is

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going to be a new boy was doing really

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well and during this during this class

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an owl shows up on a branch it's white

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owl and then it hangs around for the

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next three years you know they get in

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the car and they go to the grocery store

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in the owl flies with them to the

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grocery store really good speaker she's

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doing the Owls on a lamppost and they go

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into the grocery store they do the

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shopping and they leave and they come

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home and on the way home now follows the

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car back home for three years this goes

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on there comes a point when they

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when this woman wants to leave to become

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a hypnotherapist so she has to move and

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take some classes so she takes her son

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and her and they leave and they leave

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his house with his owl is and the day

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after they leave they get a phone call

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from the neighbor and they said you know

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you know Laurie I have some terrible

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news your white owl

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we found it dead in the backyard so and

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this woman at the other Olive stories

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that are equally remarkable and and this

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is a woman who unlike Shauna Shauna the

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shaman who saw that six foot tall

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visionary owl on tripping on mushrooms

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this woman is very very straight up

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about her UFO contact experiences the

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woman Laurie now so I get this one call

542
00:20:27,069 --> 00:20:24,679
in a Monday one call on a Tuesday hear

543
00:20:30,579 --> 00:20:27,079
these two stories back-to-back they're

544
00:20:35,019 --> 00:20:30,589
both the same age Lori and Sean they're

545
00:20:37,319 --> 00:20:35,029
both adopted which is very strange

546
00:20:40,059 --> 00:20:37,329
they're both born in Ontario Canada

547
00:20:41,379 --> 00:20:40,069
they're both I mean they're not sisters

548
00:20:45,249 --> 00:20:41,389
that was the first thing that crossed my

549
00:20:47,049 --> 00:20:45,259
mind like oh my gosh and then they and I

550
00:20:51,399 --> 00:20:47,059
will also say both of these women have

551
00:20:53,259 --> 00:20:51,409
very striking blue eyes now and they

552
00:20:56,169 --> 00:20:53,269
both had experiences with owls that both

553
00:20:58,269 --> 00:20:56,179
women are now working as therapists one

554
00:21:00,309 --> 00:20:58,279
in a very traditional setting constantly

555
00:21:02,319 --> 00:21:00,319
family counseling doing hypnosis the

556
00:21:04,659 --> 00:21:02,329
other one in a more let's say esoteric

557
00:21:07,419 --> 00:21:04,669
realm therapists through as in the role

558
00:21:10,959 --> 00:21:07,429
of shaman so there's a power to me these

559
00:21:14,079 --> 00:21:10,969
two stories are related not only in in

560
00:21:16,809 --> 00:21:14,089
the details but in the fact that they

561
00:21:19,719 --> 00:21:16,819
arrived within 24 hours of each other so

562
00:21:21,609 --> 00:21:19,729
this so there's also the title of the

563
00:21:25,059 --> 00:21:21,619
book is all synchronicity in the UFO dr.

564
00:21:28,449 --> 00:21:25,069
II so this this synchronistic aspect is

565
00:21:30,430 --> 00:21:28,459
something that you know like as I was

566
00:21:33,369 --> 00:21:30,440
working on the book I felt like I was on

567
00:21:35,379 --> 00:21:33,379
a boat on a on the open ocean right and

568
00:21:37,209 --> 00:21:35,389
I was just kind of being my compass was

569
00:21:38,889 --> 00:21:37,219
was leading me wherever it wanted to

570
00:21:40,629 --> 00:21:38,899
lead me like I had to I had no sense of

571
00:21:42,969 --> 00:21:40,639
direction at all where I needed to go

572
00:21:45,489 --> 00:21:42,979
but I depended on this compass to lead

573
00:21:48,159 --> 00:21:45,499
me you know in open waters where there

574
00:21:50,919 --> 00:21:48,169
was no there was no markings to find my

575
00:21:54,129 --> 00:21:50,929
way and so I just trusted the the

576
00:21:55,599 --> 00:21:54,139
compass of synchronicity and and this is

577
00:21:57,039 --> 00:21:55,609
the perfect example the story I just

578
00:21:57,560 --> 00:21:57,049
told these two stories back-to-back to

579
00:21:59,540 --> 00:21:57,570
me the most

580
00:22:01,940 --> 00:21:59,550
important part of those two stories is

581
00:22:04,490 --> 00:22:01,950
their connection coming 24 hours apart

582
00:22:06,140 --> 00:22:04,500
em and that is interesting and

583
00:22:08,660 --> 00:22:06,150
synchronicities I just love how they

584
00:22:11,390 --> 00:22:08,670
come through layer after layer and when

585
00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:11,400
you see how deep they stack up it's got

586
00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:13,290
to make you wonder if something else is

587
00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:15,450
pulling the strings and the similarities

588
00:22:19,460 --> 00:22:18,090
between those two women that kind of

589
00:22:21,860 --> 00:22:19,470
reminds me of the stories I've heard

590
00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:21,870
where Irish people say that they can see

591
00:22:26,540 --> 00:22:24,570
fairies or mystical creatures that

592
00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:26,550
others can't because of some genetic

593
00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:28,410
component which comes up in the

594
00:22:32,540 --> 00:22:30,330
abduction scenario to the idea of a

595
00:22:35,090 --> 00:22:32,550
bloodline connection that it's this

596
00:22:36,890 --> 00:22:35,100
multi-generational thing and I don't

597
00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:36,900
know but there does seem to be a certain

598
00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:38,970
kind of person that is more susceptible

599
00:22:44,660 --> 00:22:42,170
to these things in the paranormal realm

600
00:22:47,120 --> 00:22:44,670
there's you know so yes so that would be

601
00:22:49,210 --> 00:22:47,130
like the synchronicity prone individual

602
00:22:51,380 --> 00:22:49,220
I think that's actually a term used by

603
00:22:53,380 --> 00:22:51,390
there's a researcher there's a couple

604
00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:53,390
researchers who use that same term

605
00:22:56,780 --> 00:22:55,530
synchronicity the one is dr. Kirby

606
00:22:58,550 --> 00:22:56,790
surprise who I write about at the book

607
00:23:00,830 --> 00:22:58,560
at length yes and the other is a

608
00:23:02,150 --> 00:23:00,840
researcher named Gibbs William both of

609
00:23:05,120 --> 00:23:02,160
these guys would be great interviews for

610
00:23:06,350 --> 00:23:05,130
you and Gibbs says something similar you

611
00:23:08,540 --> 00:23:06,360
like synchronous you know a

612
00:23:09,830 --> 00:23:08,550
synchronicity prone personality so

613
00:23:11,690 --> 00:23:09,840
there's people who are prone to these

614
00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:11,700
things and I think you know there are

615
00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:13,170
people who are obviously prone to UFO

616
00:23:17,990 --> 00:23:15,570
abduction mm-hmm there was a point in

617
00:23:20,510 --> 00:23:18,000
early on and you know for research where

618
00:23:22,010 --> 00:23:20,520
if someone saw two UFOs you would say

619
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:22,020
well this is ridiculous you know

620
00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:23,730
statistically it's impossible that two

621
00:23:27,590 --> 00:23:25,530
people would you know one person would

622
00:23:28,790 --> 00:23:27,600
see two UFOs so you would take their

623
00:23:30,110 --> 00:23:28,800
reports and you would crumble them up

624
00:23:31,790 --> 00:23:30,120
and throw in the wastebasket but now

625
00:23:33,620 --> 00:23:31,800
we're finding it's exactly the opposite

626
00:23:35,060 --> 00:23:33,630
where you talk to someone who's seen a

627
00:23:36,980 --> 00:23:35,070
UFO and you corner them a little bit

628
00:23:38,450 --> 00:23:36,990
then you realize they've seen ten right

629
00:23:41,420 --> 00:23:38,460
you know so the people who have having

630
00:23:42,710 --> 00:23:41,430
these contact experiences it doesn't

631
00:23:45,770 --> 00:23:42,720
happen just once but it's an ongoing

632
00:23:47,450 --> 00:23:45,780
thing so you know like synchronicity is

633
00:23:50,990 --> 00:23:47,460
like abduction these things are

634
00:23:52,580 --> 00:23:51,000
reoccurring I think everyone can

635
00:23:55,430 --> 00:23:52,590
experience synchronicity and I'm quite

636
00:23:58,040 --> 00:23:55,440
sure everyone has I think it's the the

637
00:23:59,120 --> 00:23:58,050
awareness and then I would say I spoke

638
00:24:00,770 --> 00:23:59,130
to his wonderful woman

639
00:24:02,810 --> 00:24:00,780
she's an abductee I spoke to her at a

640
00:24:04,580 --> 00:24:02,820
conference and she she told this story

641
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:04,590
about one synchronicity that led to

642
00:24:07,610 --> 00:24:06,090
another and she was very animated she

643
00:24:08,900 --> 00:24:07,620
was actually like pulling right so she's

644
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:08,910
standing there and she's pretending like

645
00:24:12,150 --> 00:24:10,930
she's pulling like pulling on a big rope

646
00:24:13,530 --> 00:24:12,160
she's pointing it towards her side all

647
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:13,540
of the synchronicity I pull on it and it

648
00:24:18,150 --> 00:24:15,490
leads to other synchronicity and then

649
00:24:21,330 --> 00:24:18,160
she says it at the end of this rope is

650
00:24:23,610 --> 00:24:21,340
your destiny and I thought that was so

651
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:23,620
wonderful so yes so I think that if you

652
00:24:30,450 --> 00:24:26,290
are aware you can trust synchronicity

653
00:24:32,100 --> 00:24:30,460
you can use synchronicity like a um you

654
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:32,110
know like you would use the advice of a

655
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:36,610
life coach mm-hmm so yeah poetic man I'm

656
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:38,290
with you I'm drinking a lot of coffee

657
00:24:41,910 --> 00:24:39,610
I'm jacked up on coffee right now so

658
00:24:45,660 --> 00:24:41,920
example synapses are firing really well

659
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:45,670
right now beautiful beautiful so I find

660
00:24:50,010 --> 00:24:48,010
the the screen memories aspect to be

661
00:24:51,620 --> 00:24:50,020
just super interesting and we talked a

662
00:24:54,990 --> 00:24:51,630
little bit about stories where people

663
00:24:56,130 --> 00:24:55,000
see UFOs and also see owls you have

664
00:24:58,830 --> 00:24:56,140
stories in the book where people see

665
00:25:01,080 --> 00:24:58,840
orbs and then also see owls but there

666
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:01,090
seems to be some overlap in an area

667
00:25:05,580 --> 00:25:03,610
where people see Gray's that maybe turn

668
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:05,590
into owls or orbs that turn into aisles

669
00:25:10,620 --> 00:25:08,170
or they see four-foot owls that might be

670
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:10,630
some type of screen for a gray that

671
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:12,730
they're actually seen that's a really

672
00:25:17,730 --> 00:25:15,730
strange area I mean do you think there's

673
00:25:20,610 --> 00:25:17,740
some type of intelligence hiding behind

674
00:25:22,410 --> 00:25:20,620
the owl facade perhaps well are there

675
00:25:24,330 --> 00:25:22,420
certainly an intelligence yet so so

676
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:24,340
here's one story so I mean the typical

677
00:25:27,390 --> 00:25:25,930
story is the one I told earlier you know

678
00:25:28,380 --> 00:25:27,400
someone sees a four-foot tall owl and

679
00:25:29,970 --> 00:25:28,390
then they get home and then there's

680
00:25:32,100 --> 00:25:29,980
missing time and I have that story in

681
00:25:33,570 --> 00:25:32,110
one form or another just so many times

682
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:33,580
it would have done no good like I could

683
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:35,050
I could do the whole thing I could just

684
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:36,490
tell one account after another after

685
00:25:40,950 --> 00:25:37,810
another and fill up two hours and then

686
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:40,960
two more hours but um so here's this

687
00:25:45,360 --> 00:25:42,850
this woman she's a young woman at the

688
00:25:47,070 --> 00:25:45,370
time she's she's in her 40s now at the

689
00:25:49,260 --> 00:25:47,080
time she was 19 years old and she was

690
00:25:52,830 --> 00:25:49,270
working at a summer camp for girls so

691
00:25:54,300 --> 00:25:52,840
she is walking between like basically

692
00:25:55,860 --> 00:25:54,310
just between two parts of the camp right

693
00:25:57,450 --> 00:25:55,870
so she's like a little path and she can

694
00:25:59,460 --> 00:25:57,460
hear girls in the background and she's

695
00:26:01,770 --> 00:25:59,470
just walking along and she comes around

696
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:01,780
a corner full daylight full Sun shine

697
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:04,450
bright meadow she's on this little path

698
00:26:09,810 --> 00:26:06,250
standing next to the path is a grey

699
00:26:11,790 --> 00:26:09,820
alien like full daylight and she had

700
00:26:13,350 --> 00:26:11,800
only at that point she recognized that

701
00:26:15,330 --> 00:26:13,360
she had had these contact experiences

702
00:26:17,820 --> 00:26:15,340
and felt that they were related to

703
00:26:19,980 --> 00:26:17,830
aliens but here it was full daily and

704
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:19,990
she didn't up until then every

705
00:26:24,690 --> 00:26:21,610
experience you've ever had happened at

706
00:26:26,190 --> 00:26:24,700
night so she just like is shocked right

707
00:26:28,260 --> 00:26:26,200
now she doesn't she's so shocked that

708
00:26:29,790 --> 00:26:28,270
she doesn't stop walking sheer like feed

709
00:26:32,340 --> 00:26:29,800
her and like autopilot she's walk walk

710
00:26:35,820 --> 00:26:32,350
walk so she sees this alien alien sees

711
00:26:38,700 --> 00:26:35,830
her and then this is telepathy that

712
00:26:42,950 --> 00:26:38,710
takes place in 100% of the account and

713
00:26:45,300 --> 00:26:42,960
so she has this telepathic kind of like

714
00:26:48,690 --> 00:26:45,310
reverberation like this echo chamber and

715
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:48,700
she hears this being go owl owl owl owl

716
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:51,970
owl and she watches boom it morph into a

717
00:26:56,310 --> 00:26:54,250
four foot tall owl this four photo gray

718
00:26:59,100 --> 00:26:56,320
being with a bald head and the big black

719
00:27:01,350 --> 00:26:59,110
eyes the skinny body suddenly turns into

720
00:27:03,930 --> 00:27:01,360
a four foot tall and then she watches

721
00:27:08,910 --> 00:27:03,940
this owl turn around and run awkwardly

722
00:27:10,740 --> 00:27:08,920
into the woods now

723
00:27:12,750 --> 00:27:10,750
I also have an account in the book with

724
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:12,760
dear so here's a woman there's a woman

725
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:14,530
she's at her house is a bright flash

726
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:17,050
outside she's like that's weird that was

727
00:27:20,070 --> 00:27:18,730
a strange flash I wonder what that is so

728
00:27:22,230 --> 00:27:20,080
she stands she walks out of front door

729
00:27:23,610 --> 00:27:22,240
and stands in her front porch and she

730
00:27:24,870 --> 00:27:23,620
looks to the side of the porch and is

731
00:27:29,130 --> 00:27:24,880
standing right next to the house

732
00:27:31,470 --> 00:27:29,140
alongside the porch are four spindly

733
00:27:33,210 --> 00:27:31,480
gray aliens right the good another

734
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:33,220
classic just what I described before in

735
00:27:35,910 --> 00:27:34,330
the big head the big black eyes the

736
00:27:38,790 --> 00:27:35,920
skinny body she looks at these aliens

737
00:27:41,700 --> 00:27:38,800
they look at her and then all of a

738
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:41,710
sudden poof they turn into four deer and

739
00:27:46,230 --> 00:27:44,770
they begin walking backwards and then

740
00:27:51,030 --> 00:27:46,240
they walk backwards around the corner

741
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:51,040
super creepy image so those are two

742
00:27:54,270 --> 00:27:52,810
accounts which are rare it's very

743
00:27:57,450 --> 00:27:54,280
unusual to hear those accounts I've

744
00:27:58,980 --> 00:27:57,460
heard a few like that but what it tells

745
00:28:00,510 --> 00:27:58,990
me is that there's some I mean I

746
00:28:04,470 --> 00:28:00,520
obviously I don't think that they

747
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:04,480
physically transposed from a gray alien

748
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:06,010
into an owl I think there was some sort

749
00:28:14,460 --> 00:28:11,290
of psychic curtain being drawn in front

750
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:14,470
of the perceptions of the observer so

751
00:28:18,660 --> 00:28:16,810
that there was it was projected into the

752
00:28:20,130 --> 00:28:18,670
mind of the observer that they were not

753
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:20,140
seeing something frightening like an owl

754
00:28:23,700 --> 00:28:21,490
they were seeing something a little more

755
00:28:25,020 --> 00:28:23,710
banal excuse me for time here I do this

756
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:25,030
all the time I get olives and aliens

757
00:28:29,430 --> 00:28:26,650
mixed up they were not seeing something

758
00:28:30,900 --> 00:28:29,440
frightening like an alien instead they

759
00:28:34,350 --> 00:28:30,910
were seeing something a little more

760
00:28:36,120 --> 00:28:34,360
benign like a deer or an owl I love it

761
00:28:37,650 --> 00:28:36,130
man I mean next time I see either one of

762
00:28:39,990 --> 00:28:37,660
those animals I'm definitely going to

763
00:28:41,700 --> 00:28:40,000
give it a nice hard look and make sure

764
00:28:43,860 --> 00:28:41,710
I'm looking at the real deal and not

765
00:28:45,270 --> 00:28:43,870
some kind of weird facade well they just

766
00:28:46,740 --> 00:28:45,280
so you know there's like there's a lot

767
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:46,750
of owls out there right so people see

768
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:48,490
owls all the time they're very common

769
00:28:50,730 --> 00:28:49,810
bird the reason we don't see them

770
00:28:52,530 --> 00:28:50,740
obviously it's just because they're a

771
00:28:55,050 --> 00:28:52,540
night bird and weird we don't you know

772
00:28:57,780 --> 00:28:55,060
we're not like we would we would they're

773
00:28:58,980 --> 00:28:57,790
basically hard to see because they you

774
00:29:00,630 --> 00:28:58,990
know in the forest night we're not going

775
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:00,640
to see them but um they're out there

776
00:29:06,510 --> 00:29:03,330
with plenty of out lots of lots of owls

777
00:29:08,010 --> 00:29:06,520
I'll be busy then and lots of deer so if

778
00:29:09,300 --> 00:29:08,020
you see a deer an owl you know like yeah

779
00:29:10,950 --> 00:29:09,310
I mean you can go through that little

780
00:29:12,300 --> 00:29:10,960
checklist but you know they're highly

781
00:29:14,970 --> 00:29:12,310
probable that you're seeing a real bird

782
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:14,980
are really real animal fair enough and

783
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:17,050
you know you call the book the

784
00:29:20,910 --> 00:29:18,850
messengers and this of course does

785
00:29:22,770 --> 00:29:20,920
relate heavily to the synchronicity

786
00:29:24,300 --> 00:29:22,780
aspect but you did mention this

787
00:29:26,460 --> 00:29:24,310
trend of people who have gotten these

788
00:29:29,070 --> 00:29:26,470
literal messages telepathically in their

789
00:29:31,500 --> 00:29:29,080
encounters many in the book seem quite

790
00:29:33,300 --> 00:29:31,510
personal or kind of cryptic but is there

791
00:29:35,370 --> 00:29:33,310
a common theme among the messages that

792
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:35,380
might give us clues into what or why

793
00:29:40,710 --> 00:29:36,970
this is happening any kind of agenda

794
00:29:42,540 --> 00:29:40,720
behind it well it sounds like something

795
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:42,550
Yoda would say to Luke Skywalker in a

796
00:29:46,860 --> 00:29:44,890
way and I asked yeah it's like it's kind

797
00:29:49,410 --> 00:29:46,870
of cryptic yeah sure so this one woman

798
00:29:52,950 --> 00:29:49,420
Rebecca Hardcastle right is wrote a book

799
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:52,960
she coined the term XO politics I'm

800
00:29:55,980 --> 00:29:54,490
pretty sure she was I think she actually

801
00:29:57,390 --> 00:29:55,990
wrote a book called echo politics and I

802
00:30:00,330 --> 00:29:57,400
think Michael Sala actually coined the

803
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:00,340
term so she's very forthright about her

804
00:30:07,950 --> 00:30:03,970
experiences she is very grounded she's

805
00:30:11,870 --> 00:30:07,960
very smart and she was living in Phoenix

806
00:30:14,460 --> 00:30:11,880
Arizona she was in like a just dumb

807
00:30:17,510 --> 00:30:14,470
parking lot at some strip mall in the

808
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:17,520
suburbs of Phoenix she looks up on a

809
00:30:21,630 --> 00:30:20,050
light post

810
00:30:24,390 --> 00:30:21,640
in the parking lot and this owl full

811
00:30:26,610 --> 00:30:24,400
daylight huge owl standing up there she

812
00:30:29,730 --> 00:30:26,620
looks up this owl and she gets this

813
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:29,740
telepathic voice in your mind that says

814
00:30:35,580 --> 00:30:33,970
you are not who you seem to be which is

815
00:30:38,070 --> 00:30:35,590
great like I may have a scriptwriter

816
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:38,080
wanted to put that into a kind of a

817
00:30:41,100 --> 00:30:39,490
mystical movie you couldn't come up with

818
00:30:44,070 --> 00:30:41,110
a better line than that right or not who

819
00:30:45,510 --> 00:30:44,080
you seem to be and she felt that you can

820
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:45,520
have a visitation that night which she

821
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:48,730
did and then I asked her like was that a

822
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:50,650
real owl she said I don't think so I

823
00:30:54,930 --> 00:30:52,810
think that was a projection of some sort

824
00:30:55,950 --> 00:30:54,940
which is interesting because it gets to

825
00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:55,960
the point where like you know like I

826
00:30:58,770 --> 00:30:57,370
asked like located it was at a real

827
00:31:01,470 --> 00:30:58,780
island other people are like you know

828
00:31:03,030 --> 00:31:01,480
like maybe maybe not I'm not sure so he

829
00:31:04,950 --> 00:31:03,040
there's no easy answers for anything

830
00:31:07,890 --> 00:31:04,960
things but that was there's one example

831
00:31:09,540 --> 00:31:07,900
of someone who got a very cryptic you

832
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:09,550
know one line message and then I have

833
00:31:12,870 --> 00:31:11,050
another person at a long conversation

834
00:31:14,370 --> 00:31:12,880
with owl in the woods and I would have

835
00:31:17,190 --> 00:31:14,380
to refer to my notes to actually

836
00:31:20,250 --> 00:31:17,200
describe what that whole conversation

837
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:20,260
was but um the gist of it was exactly

838
00:31:26,370 --> 00:31:23,290
the same was like you know I think the

839
00:31:28,140 --> 00:31:26,380
initial line was she asked me the owl

840
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:28,150
right so she walks into the woods and

841
00:31:31,140 --> 00:31:29,650
she's on a hike and she felt strongly

842
00:31:34,890 --> 00:31:31,150
that she's gonna meet an alien that day

843
00:31:36,750 --> 00:31:34,900
and then she her name is Karras and she

844
00:31:37,890 --> 00:31:36,760
walks into the woods and she's like all

845
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:37,900
the Sun she's like well I should leave

846
00:31:43,530 --> 00:31:40,810
the path she walks up a path well I

847
00:31:45,300 --> 00:31:43,540
should like walk over here she climbs

848
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:45,310
over some rocks and stuff well I think I

849
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:47,650
gotta sit on this rock it's on the rock

850
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:49,090
well no I need to sit a little bit no no

851
00:31:51,780 --> 00:31:50,650
I need a little you a little okay

852
00:31:53,730 --> 00:31:51,790
over here this is right where I need to

853
00:31:55,530 --> 00:31:53,740
sit she sits there for a while this is

854
00:31:59,580 --> 00:31:55,540
pretty spot and she realizes she's lined

855
00:32:01,700 --> 00:31:59,590
up exactly so there's this like the way

856
00:32:04,740 --> 00:32:01,710
the bushes are arranged she could see

857
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:04,750
this owl kind of through this one little

858
00:32:09,900 --> 00:32:07,330
gap in the bushes and she says the great

859
00:32:12,570 --> 00:32:09,910
horned owls common owl big their blood

860
00:32:14,580 --> 00:32:12,580
larger all like a beautiful face so

861
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:14,590
she's so scared down with his helm and

862
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:17,050
she went into the woods fully expecting

863
00:32:21,270 --> 00:32:19,530
that day to see an alien

864
00:32:24,300 --> 00:32:21,280
and she says

865
00:32:25,290 --> 00:32:24,310
are you an alien or are you a fairy she

866
00:32:27,450 --> 00:32:25,300
had been doing all Christmas area

867
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:27,460
research at that point which is blends

868
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:29,170
you know some real UFO researchers if I

869
00:32:31,830 --> 00:32:30,610
had said that then they take my report

870
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:31,840
crumple it up and throw it in the trash

871
00:32:37,590 --> 00:32:35,050
but so she says are you an alien or you

872
00:32:41,100 --> 00:32:37,600
a fairy and the owl replies

873
00:32:45,510 --> 00:32:41,110
telepathically into her mind why can't I

874
00:32:47,610 --> 00:32:45,520
be both you're both so which is not

875
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:47,620
again a great line I mean if a script

876
00:32:53,730 --> 00:32:50,530
writer wanted to create a beautiful

877
00:32:55,530 --> 00:32:53,740
eerie transcendent mood in a movie

878
00:32:58,980 --> 00:32:55,540
that's the line they would put in the

879
00:33:02,310 --> 00:32:58,990
script so I'm just struck at them at the

880
00:33:04,470 --> 00:33:02,320
power of these stories yeah yeah I love

881
00:33:05,820 --> 00:33:04,480
that one Karras Melinda Brown I had that

882
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:05,830
one highlighted - have you mentioned

883
00:33:11,610 --> 00:33:09,490
because it does have that fairy aspect

884
00:33:13,740 --> 00:33:11,620
she would also be a great person to talk

885
00:33:15,420 --> 00:33:13,750
to honey on your podcast she's like yes

886
00:33:17,940 --> 00:33:15,430
she's very she's very well-spoken yeah

887
00:33:20,250 --> 00:33:17,950
nice nice that that is just one

888
00:33:24,180 --> 00:33:20,260
connection that has really stuck with me

889
00:33:25,950 --> 00:33:24,190
is old ancient fairy lore and the modern

890
00:33:27,870 --> 00:33:25,960
abduction experience in the way that the

891
00:33:29,580 --> 00:33:27,880
two kind of dovetail with uh you know

892
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:29,590
people being taken in the night or

893
00:33:34,170 --> 00:33:32,170
taking kids or being in a another realm

894
00:33:36,420 --> 00:33:34,180
and not being able to get out I think

895
00:33:38,330 --> 00:33:36,430
yeah maybe the alien abduction

896
00:33:42,450 --> 00:33:38,340
experience is just kind of a modern

897
00:33:43,620 --> 00:33:42,460
techno centric lens on a phenomenon

898
00:33:47,610 --> 00:33:43,630
that's been with us since the beginning

899
00:33:49,650 --> 00:33:47,620
of humanity perhaps I agree completely I

900
00:33:51,930 --> 00:33:49,660
mean this is all just speculation idle

901
00:33:56,430 --> 00:33:51,940
proof of it that what I have is sort of

902
00:33:57,840 --> 00:33:56,440
a a wealth of anecdotal reports you know

903
00:33:59,760 --> 00:33:57,850
so that's you know when I was working on

904
00:34:01,050 --> 00:33:59,770
the book well you know people would just

905
00:34:02,430 --> 00:34:01,060
you know I spent years working on the

906
00:34:03,690 --> 00:34:02,440
book when people say somebody up to

907
00:34:04,890 --> 00:34:03,700
these days so I don't worry writing a

908
00:34:06,750 --> 00:34:04,900
book like oh you're cheating you're

909
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:06,760
writing book what's it on and I say

910
00:34:10,770 --> 00:34:09,010
sounds like interesting owls

911
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:10,780
well what about owls and then this is

912
00:34:13,620 --> 00:34:11,890
the point when I had to kind of size

913
00:34:15,750 --> 00:34:13,630
them up and like oh gee do I open like

914
00:34:17,490 --> 00:34:15,760
the UFO thing do I like start the UFO

915
00:34:19,260 --> 00:34:17,500
conversation because if I do like I'm

916
00:34:20,820 --> 00:34:19,270
going to be stuck there for an hour so

917
00:34:22,830 --> 00:34:20,830
something kind of like have to size them

918
00:34:24,419 --> 00:34:22,840
up and then fight so basically if I like

919
00:34:25,590 --> 00:34:24,429
had to like you know be on my way in a

920
00:34:28,380 --> 00:34:25,600
few minutes I would say well you know

921
00:34:29,550 --> 00:34:28,390
it's a book on mythology and that's very

922
00:34:31,050 --> 00:34:29,560
interesting and what's your what's your

923
00:34:32,639 --> 00:34:31,060
premise in this in my premises that the

924
00:34:35,819 --> 00:34:32,649
ancient myths

925
00:34:38,369 --> 00:34:35,829
are playing out present-day the ancient

926
00:34:40,319 --> 00:34:38,379
Alamos are repeating playing out

927
00:34:43,079 --> 00:34:40,329
present-day for real people real

928
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:43,089
experiences the same way they would have

929
00:34:47,399 --> 00:34:44,770
played out for our ancients the way

930
00:34:51,210 --> 00:34:47,409
these ancient myths evolved and emerged

931
00:34:54,240 --> 00:34:51,220
I'm convinced are based on real

932
00:34:56,159 --> 00:34:54,250
experiences they might have been

933
00:34:58,410 --> 00:34:56,169
visionary experiences but that's still

934
00:35:00,120 --> 00:34:58,420
an experience that can be incorporated

935
00:35:02,370 --> 00:35:00,130
into the you know campfire myths around

936
00:35:04,170 --> 00:35:02,380
the village so that was my answer and I

937
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:04,180
hold to that answer and I'll say that

938
00:35:08,370 --> 00:35:06,010
you know the as I said earlier you know

939
00:35:11,579 --> 00:35:08,380
the the highly-charged experience in a

940
00:35:13,740 --> 00:35:11,589
meditation shamanic initiation death UFO

941
00:35:16,470 --> 00:35:13,750
contact being taken by the fairies these

942
00:35:20,279 --> 00:35:16,480
are all highly charged human experiences

943
00:35:22,980 --> 00:35:20,289
that lie outside our normal perceived

944
00:35:26,579 --> 00:35:22,990
reality and then for some reason the owl

945
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:26,589
seems to be the totem of these

946
00:35:29,519 --> 00:35:28,450
experiences here I'll give you one story

947
00:35:31,740 --> 00:35:29,529
here there's a fellow

948
00:35:33,589 --> 00:35:31,750
his name is Peter man's he's a Reiki

949
00:35:37,650 --> 00:35:33,599
healer he does this very interesting

950
00:35:39,900 --> 00:35:37,660
work with spine alignment very practical

951
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:39,910
kind of kind of stuff but it's like it's

952
00:35:43,769 --> 00:35:42,010
like final one and be careful yours

953
00:35:47,720 --> 00:35:43,779
words I use I mean it's like magic in a

954
00:35:50,579 --> 00:35:47,730
way so he um he's a powerful interesting

955
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:50,589
spiritual guy and he comes over to our

956
00:35:55,500 --> 00:35:52,450
house for dinner he was in the area he's

957
00:35:56,460 --> 00:35:55,510
from Germany and he asked the question

958
00:35:58,019 --> 00:35:56,470
so what are you working on well I'm

959
00:35:59,760 --> 00:35:58,029
working on this book on owls and he kind

960
00:36:01,289 --> 00:35:59,770
of interrupts me and we're standing in

961
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:01,299
our living room my partner Andrea and I

962
00:36:05,460 --> 00:36:02,650
had share house and we're in the living

963
00:36:05,970 --> 00:36:05,470
room and and he says oh that's

964
00:36:08,089 --> 00:36:05,980
interesting

965
00:36:11,339 --> 00:36:08,099
owls because I had a Native American

966
00:36:13,849 --> 00:36:11,349
tell me that I had a totem and my totem

967
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:13,859
was an owl and it's sitting right here

968
00:36:20,490 --> 00:36:17,650
he puts his hand up kind of near his ear

969
00:36:21,900 --> 00:36:20,500
his left ear his left shoulder is my

970
00:36:24,089 --> 00:36:21,910
above all sitting on my left shoulder

971
00:36:27,420 --> 00:36:24,099
here and that's what the shaman told me

972
00:36:30,809 --> 00:36:27,430
now he didn't know it but from where he

973
00:36:33,150 --> 00:36:30,819
was standing I had a direct line of

974
00:36:34,650 --> 00:36:33,160
sight so I'm standing in the living room

975
00:36:37,230 --> 00:36:34,660
he's staying in front of me behind him

976
00:36:39,539 --> 00:36:37,240
is the window and out on the porch is a

977
00:36:42,059 --> 00:36:39,549
totem pole and at the top of the totem

978
00:36:45,240 --> 00:36:42,069
pole is a white owl and when he put his

979
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:45,250
hand over his shoulder and kind of made

980
00:36:50,550 --> 00:36:46,570
a little gesture like here's where the

981
00:36:53,910 --> 00:36:50,560
owl was his hand was basically petting

982
00:36:57,450 --> 00:36:53,920
the head of the owl on the totem pole so

983
00:37:00,360 --> 00:36:57,460
he said I have an owl as a totem and he

984
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:00,370
was petting from my visual sight he was

985
00:37:06,210 --> 00:37:04,210
petting an owl on a totem pole like mmm

986
00:37:07,650 --> 00:37:06,220
that's not in the book that happened

987
00:37:09,930 --> 00:37:07,660
after the book was completed but it was

988
00:37:12,990 --> 00:37:09,940
like like where you go from there you

989
00:37:16,770 --> 00:37:13,000
know I I mean that is so perfect it is

990
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:16,780
so clean and it is also deeply personal

991
00:37:20,430 --> 00:37:18,610
for me because I was the only one that

992
00:37:22,290 --> 00:37:20,440
saw it right I'm the only one that had

993
00:37:25,370 --> 00:37:22,300
that we had the visionary experience

994
00:37:28,650 --> 00:37:25,380
with it his hand lining up with the owl

995
00:37:31,550 --> 00:37:28,660
yeah that is an interesting one I wrote

996
00:37:34,530 --> 00:37:31,560
down one of my favorite stories here

997
00:37:35,970 --> 00:37:34,540
it's this woman named Ashley and it's

998
00:37:37,980 --> 00:37:35,980
because of the cryptic texts on her

999
00:37:41,430 --> 00:37:37,990
phone in relation to the experience it

1000
00:37:43,890 --> 00:37:41,440
starts with her UFO sighting where she

1001
00:37:45,090 --> 00:37:43,900
says as you write I had to pull over on

1002
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:45,100
the side of the road there was a large

1003
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:46,930
flying object hovering in the sky above

1004
00:37:51,780 --> 00:37:49,210
me it was making no sound whatsoever and

1005
00:37:53,430 --> 00:37:51,790
was flying very low there weren't any

1006
00:37:55,770 --> 00:37:53,440
flashing lights on it only a red

1007
00:37:57,660 --> 00:37:55,780
dangling string that was lit up there

1008
00:37:59,130 --> 00:37:57,670
were three cars pulled over behind me

1009
00:38:00,690 --> 00:37:59,140
and the guy from the first car was

1010
00:38:02,670 --> 00:38:00,700
taking pictures the pictures were

1011
00:38:05,220 --> 00:38:02,680
unclear you could only make out the red

1012
00:38:06,630 --> 00:38:05,230
light after seeing this UFO I started

1013
00:38:08,970 --> 00:38:06,640
noticing some weird things I started

1014
00:38:11,910 --> 00:38:08,980
having encounters without Y all's I have

1015
00:38:14,190 --> 00:38:11,920
no idea she also started having strange

1016
00:38:16,050 --> 00:38:14,200
dreams with both owls and UFOs together

1017
00:38:17,790 --> 00:38:16,060
along with that she wrote about an odd

1018
00:38:20,070 --> 00:38:17,800
experience with her mobile phone two

1019
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:20,080
weeks ago I woke up to a text from my

1020
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:22,090
boyfriend that said what the hell are

1021
00:38:26,670 --> 00:38:23,890
you talking about when I checked my

1022
00:38:28,470 --> 00:38:26,680
outbox I noticed four strange texts that

1023
00:38:30,540 --> 00:38:28,480
I didn't remember sending and I saved

1024
00:38:33,870 --> 00:38:30,550
them to my phone and this is just

1025
00:38:35,790 --> 00:38:33,880
amazing text one it will identify all

1026
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:35,800
planes in the sky will detect

1027
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:37,810
unauthorized flying objects and will

1028
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:40,810
warn them of aliens nearby text message

1029
00:38:46,350 --> 00:38:43,650
- yes destroy it we must hold our ground

1030
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:46,360
text message 3 you will remain

1031
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:49,210
undetected text message four they

1032
00:38:52,970 --> 00:38:51,610
threaten us but they are weak report

1033
00:38:54,260 --> 00:38:52,980
back to me

1034
00:38:56,810 --> 00:38:54,270
she says I don't know what these mean

1035
00:38:59,270 --> 00:38:56,820
they don't make very much sense and now

1036
00:39:00,980 --> 00:38:59,280
that is interesting man because I think

1037
00:39:02,690 --> 00:39:00,990
there's some overlap when it comes to

1038
00:39:04,790 --> 00:39:02,700
the frequencies of our electronic

1039
00:39:07,070 --> 00:39:04,800
devices and these other realms it's hard

1040
00:39:10,250 --> 00:39:07,080
to nail down but that story because of

1041
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:10,260
those odd creepy details that seem like

1042
00:39:16,970 --> 00:39:13,170
fairly intense messages almost military

1043
00:39:19,099 --> 00:39:16,980
and in their nature but I like that one

1044
00:39:20,210 --> 00:39:19,109
oh I love that one too and I got a hold

1045
00:39:23,270 --> 00:39:20,220
of her Knight a long talk with her and

1046
00:39:26,720 --> 00:39:23,280
dustless is like so so this woman she so

1047
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:26,730
I would look to it took a lot of work to

1048
00:39:30,290 --> 00:39:28,170
find her likes because this was like

1049
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:30,300
some little thing and some little report

1050
00:39:34,220 --> 00:39:32,490
and it was online and I had to like you

1051
00:39:35,570 --> 00:39:34,230
know he had to figure out who this

1052
00:39:37,340 --> 00:39:35,580
person was so I finally got ahold of her

1053
00:39:41,210 --> 00:39:37,350
and talked to her on the phone she is

1054
00:39:44,300 --> 00:39:41,220
now working as it's not quite a shaman

1055
00:39:47,510 --> 00:39:44,310
but if she's studying like alternative

1056
00:39:49,250 --> 00:39:47,520
healing and spiritual healing and I

1057
00:39:53,980 --> 00:39:49,260
don't know what it means so yeah so why

1058
00:39:57,620 --> 00:39:53,990
is that any different than then I mean I

1059
00:39:59,450 --> 00:39:57,630
mean whatever's controlling reality

1060
00:40:02,150 --> 00:39:59,460
right whatever is controlling these

1061
00:40:05,210 --> 00:40:02,160
synchronicities you know I I don't think

1062
00:40:07,220 --> 00:40:05,220
that it's a big leap for them to put

1063
00:40:08,599 --> 00:40:07,230
them on text messages in my upcoming

1064
00:40:10,220 --> 00:40:08,609
book the follow-up book when I'm working

1065
00:40:12,050 --> 00:40:10,230
right now I have almost a similar story

1066
00:40:13,609 --> 00:40:12,060
which is very unusual because there's

1067
00:40:16,070 --> 00:40:13,619
one thing that's funny here there's that

1068
00:40:18,940 --> 00:40:16,080
there's a spelling error in it it's not

1069
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:18,950
unauthorized vehicles it's unauthorized

1070
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:22,290
it says will detect unauthorized flying

1071
00:40:27,500 --> 00:40:25,050
objects and warn them of aliens nearby

1072
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:27,510
now that's a great unauthorized I mean

1073
00:40:33,970 --> 00:40:29,450
that's so perfect now I have another

1074
00:40:39,310 --> 00:40:33,980
account where there's also a single

1075
00:40:41,610 --> 00:40:39,320
misspelling my sense is that perhaps the

1076
00:40:43,450 --> 00:40:41,620
the secret government could have

1077
00:40:44,890 --> 00:40:43,460
obviously they could have sent her some

1078
00:40:46,930 --> 00:40:44,900
text messages just to mess with her

1079
00:40:49,450 --> 00:40:46,940
right here's the UFO witness there's

1080
00:40:52,780 --> 00:40:49,460
plenty of evidence that UFO witnesses

1081
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:52,790
have been messed with you know like just

1082
00:40:56,710 --> 00:40:55,010
a simple things like yeah like getting

1083
00:40:59,290 --> 00:40:56,720
you know clicking noises on their phones

1084
00:41:01,900 --> 00:40:59,300
or their mail being opened and now this

1085
00:41:03,460 --> 00:41:01,910
is like come on it's like it's like the

1086
00:41:05,170 --> 00:41:03,470
21st century nobody you like need to

1087
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:05,180
hear a click on their phone to like

1088
00:41:07,570 --> 00:41:06,410
that's like I mean don't you think they

1089
00:41:09,100 --> 00:41:07,580
would have figured that out how to like

1090
00:41:10,750 --> 00:41:09,110
tap someone's phone about putting a look

1091
00:41:12,430 --> 00:41:10,760
like noise on it so but that's what

1092
00:41:15,670 --> 00:41:12,440
people are reporting like this obvious

1093
00:41:18,010 --> 00:41:15,680
harassment that's like meant to be noted

1094
00:41:19,930 --> 00:41:18,020
and maybe this falls into that maybe

1095
00:41:22,390 --> 00:41:19,940
it's paranormal I don't know but what is

1096
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:22,400
very interesting is I mean she's not

1097
00:41:27,240 --> 00:41:24,050
like a conspiracy theorist that's going

1098
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:27,250
on the David Icke tour you know she's

1099
00:41:33,490 --> 00:41:30,050
dedicating herself to helping people

1100
00:41:34,780 --> 00:41:33,500
through holistic means which is also

1101
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:34,790
something that shows up over and over

1102
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:36,890
again I cannot tell you what I mean when

1103
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:38,210
I was doing this research I just would

1104
00:41:41,590 --> 00:41:39,890
always do the same thing in a paper I'd

1105
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:41,600
write down some key things and then

1106
00:41:45,670 --> 00:41:43,850
honesty's favor I would write Reiki and

1107
00:41:47,260 --> 00:41:45,680
then at some point and say what are you

1108
00:41:49,180 --> 00:41:47,270
doing for you anything interesting doing

1109
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:49,190
when he send some psychic stuff or any

1110
00:41:52,330 --> 00:41:50,930
kind of you know and then they would say

1111
00:41:54,550 --> 00:41:52,340
well I'm a Reiki therapist or I'm a

1112
00:41:57,100 --> 00:41:54,560
Reiki Master or you know and so this

1113
00:41:59,770 --> 00:41:57,110
just got shipped off I had no idea how

1114
00:42:02,410 --> 00:41:59,780
to like figure percentage but in a way

1115
00:42:04,300 --> 00:42:02,420
that does not match you know like if you

1116
00:42:06,460 --> 00:42:04,310
just pulled people at random at the

1117
00:42:09,490 --> 00:42:06,470
shopping mall with the people that I was

1118
00:42:11,710 --> 00:42:09,500
talking to were there was consistency of

1119
00:42:14,170 --> 00:42:11,720
Reiki therapy or hands-on healing that

1120
00:42:15,790 --> 00:42:14,180
was just off the charts so what does

1121
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:15,800
that mean you know how do we I mean I

1122
00:42:20,290 --> 00:42:17,570
have one guy he's a teamster right he's

1123
00:42:21,850 --> 00:42:20,300
a truck driver he's not like a he does

1124
00:42:23,140 --> 00:42:21,860
not fit the New Age caricature let me

1125
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:23,150
put it that way you know he's like

1126
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:25,130
listening to ac/dc driving his truck you

1127
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:26,570
know he's not listening to you know

1128
00:42:29,020 --> 00:42:27,770
sitting in the lotus position of

1129
00:42:31,390 --> 00:42:29,030
listening to Windham Hill music he's

1130
00:42:33,220 --> 00:42:31,400
he's and he said you know I got this

1131
00:42:34,630 --> 00:42:33,230
thing if he's had beautiful contact

1132
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:34,640
experiences he said you know all of a

1133
00:42:38,410 --> 00:42:35,810
sudden a few years ago I said this

1134
00:42:40,490 --> 00:42:38,420
overwhelming pole to study Reiki and I

1135
00:42:43,470 --> 00:42:40,500
became a Reiki Master

1136
00:42:45,450 --> 00:42:43,480
into a lot of context given the person

1137
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:45,460
that he's you know they would perceive

1138
00:42:51,810 --> 00:42:48,130
him to be so we're you know like yes

1139
00:42:53,010 --> 00:42:51,820
where do you go with all this I'm glad

1140
00:42:54,810 --> 00:42:53,020
you picked that story out I like that

1141
00:42:57,630 --> 00:42:54,820
story a lot and it's funny because I

1142
00:42:59,910 --> 00:42:57,640
just I contacted her when I was working

1143
00:43:02,460 --> 00:42:59,920
on this updated story in the second book

1144
00:43:05,670 --> 00:43:02,470
which also has this odd santim text

1145
00:43:06,690 --> 00:43:05,680
message you know and and I don't have it

1146
00:43:08,910 --> 00:43:06,700
in front of me but it's equally as

1147
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:08,920
cryptic and and I said like what do you

1148
00:43:12,270 --> 00:43:10,090
make of this and she was just like

1149
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:12,280
baffled she says I don't know it is so

1150
00:43:17,820 --> 00:43:14,650
weird I have no idea what to think

1151
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:17,830
hmm that stuff's great because there's a

1152
00:43:21,810 --> 00:43:19,330
little physical trace of something

1153
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:21,820
strange so this relationship between

1154
00:43:26,190 --> 00:43:24,490
these experiences and shamanism that

1155
00:43:27,870 --> 00:43:26,200
we've been talking about I wrote down a

1156
00:43:30,570 --> 00:43:27,880
quote that you have in the book from an

1157
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:30,580
author or Jo Lou Elle's I believe Jo

1158
00:43:33,930 --> 00:43:32,050
Luffy he didn't be another person be

1159
00:43:36,450 --> 00:43:33,940
great for you to talk yeah I mean

1160
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:36,460
there's no shortage for sure and you

1161
00:43:39,720 --> 00:43:37,930
asked him about this shamanism

1162
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:39,730
connection and he said when it comes to

1163
00:43:42,570 --> 00:43:40,930
these encounters with non-human

1164
00:43:45,090 --> 00:43:42,580
intelligences the people who were having

1165
00:43:47,190 --> 00:43:45,100
these experiences are many times rather

1166
00:43:49,290 --> 00:43:47,200
unwillingly being dragged into a

1167
00:43:50,730 --> 00:43:49,300
shamanic apprenticeship the people

1168
00:43:52,170 --> 00:43:50,740
having these experiences are being

1169
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:52,180
taught how to heal their consciousness

1170
00:43:56,190 --> 00:43:54,130
is being elevated they're being given

1171
00:43:57,810 --> 00:43:56,200
opportunities to help people many of

1172
00:43:59,490 --> 00:43:57,820
them will leave their jobs and then

1173
00:44:01,770 --> 00:43:59,500
become Reiki masters and massage

1174
00:44:04,050 --> 00:44:01,780
therapists and hypnotherapist all of

1175
00:44:06,720 --> 00:44:04,060
these can be seen as forms of shamanic

1176
00:44:08,970 --> 00:44:06,730
activity we need shamans and if society

1177
00:44:11,850 --> 00:44:08,980
doesn't provide it the universe will and

1178
00:44:13,740 --> 00:44:11,860
that is so poetic and it really sums up

1179
00:44:15,540 --> 00:44:13,750
I actually got chills just reading this

1180
00:44:18,660 --> 00:44:15,550
just now I just literally got the chills

1181
00:44:20,340 --> 00:44:18,670
like them it's great it is a definitely

1182
00:44:22,710 --> 00:44:20,350
a great little paragraph that sums up

1183
00:44:24,240 --> 00:44:22,720
you know this whole realm and and I

1184
00:44:26,850 --> 00:44:24,250
don't see it also doesn't it doesn't it

1185
00:44:29,490 --> 00:44:26,860
sums up the whole realm of the let's say

1186
00:44:31,380 --> 00:44:29,500
that the tone or the fabric of the owl

1187
00:44:33,450 --> 00:44:31,390
book um there's plenty of people out

1188
00:44:35,790 --> 00:44:33,460
there who have had dark frightening

1189
00:44:38,850 --> 00:44:35,800
negative experiences that that they see

1190
00:44:41,490 --> 00:44:38,860
is traumatic and haven't gone down that

1191
00:44:44,430 --> 00:44:41,500
road that show rules says but but I mean

1192
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:44,440
I I'm saying that there's a percentage I

1193
00:44:47,250 --> 00:44:45,610
don't know what it is but it's a large

1194
00:44:48,900 --> 00:44:47,260
enough percentage of people who have had

1195
00:44:52,110 --> 00:44:48,910
these contact experiences who then go

1196
00:44:53,609 --> 00:44:52,120
down this road of helping people and you

1197
00:44:56,039 --> 00:44:53,619
are totally right and that is

1198
00:44:58,170 --> 00:44:56,049
I was going to ask you is that is there

1199
00:45:00,329 --> 00:44:58,180
a Haunter point an owl centric

1200
00:45:03,420 --> 00:45:00,339
counterpoint to maybe those more

1201
00:45:06,539 --> 00:45:03,430
nefarious medical style abductions in

1202
00:45:08,519 --> 00:45:06,549
any way oh like a totem animal you know

1203
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:08,529
that's a great question I don't think I

1204
00:45:13,739 --> 00:45:10,210
have an answer for that you know in a

1205
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:13,749
way um you know that this I struggle so

1206
00:45:19,890 --> 00:45:18,130
much with us the woman who saw the gray

1207
00:45:23,089 --> 00:45:19,900
alien along the side of the path and

1208
00:45:25,470 --> 00:45:23,099
then it watched to turn into a - an owl

1209
00:45:28,289 --> 00:45:25,480
she and I have had long conversations

1210
00:45:30,059 --> 00:45:28,299
and she there's this kind of which I

1211
00:45:31,499 --> 00:45:30,069
think is a little bit dangerous and I'm

1212
00:45:33,180 --> 00:45:31,509
cautious to go down this road where

1213
00:45:35,069 --> 00:45:33,190
people will say like you know it's the

1214
00:45:36,749 --> 00:45:35,079
energy you bring to it right so if you

1215
00:45:39,210 --> 00:45:36,759
have a negative experiences because you

1216
00:45:41,009 --> 00:45:39,220
have negative thoughts you're bringing

1217
00:45:44,299 --> 00:45:41,019
your own negativity into the experience

1218
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:44,309
and that in its framing your experience

1219
00:45:48,450 --> 00:45:46,930
to be that so if you have wonderful

1220
00:45:50,249 --> 00:45:48,460
blissful thoughts then you'll have these

1221
00:45:51,720 --> 00:45:50,259
you know wonderful angelic experience

1222
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:51,730
but that's a little naive to me and I

1223
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:53,890
think it puts a lot of like and just on

1224
00:45:57,480 --> 00:45:55,450
a straight like you know blaming the

1225
00:45:58,920 --> 00:45:57,490
person for their bad experience I mean I

1226
00:46:02,370 --> 00:45:58,930
don't want to go down that road you know

1227
00:46:04,589 --> 00:46:02,380
yeah then this woman what you know who I

1228
00:46:05,910 --> 00:46:04,599
mentioned earlier with who she basically

1229
00:46:08,370 --> 00:46:05,920
we had this conversation she said you

1230
00:46:09,479 --> 00:46:08,380
know and she summed it up best you know

1231
00:46:11,009 --> 00:46:09,489
like some people are just out of

1232
00:46:12,450 --> 00:46:11,019
luck and they get in the crappy

1233
00:46:13,739 --> 00:46:12,460
experience and I don't know why some

1234
00:46:14,819 --> 00:46:13,749
people get the blissful experience and

1235
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:14,829
some people of the crappy some people

1236
00:46:20,539 --> 00:46:17,650
get both and there's also there's a

1237
00:46:23,370 --> 00:46:20,549
sense that the experiences themselves

1238
00:46:26,309 --> 00:46:23,380
like I'm cautious to say this because

1239
00:46:27,660 --> 00:46:26,319
this is this is almost like gum yearning

1240
00:46:29,430 --> 00:46:27,670
this is what I want it to be and I have

1241
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:29,440
but I certainly could cherry-pick the

1242
00:46:33,269 --> 00:46:31,210
evidence to make it to make it seem like

1243
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:33,279
this is that people start having dark

1244
00:46:37,490 --> 00:46:35,170
frightening experiences somewhere along

1245
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:37,500
the way they

1246
00:46:41,090 --> 00:46:39,930
come to terms with these things and then

1247
00:46:44,720 --> 00:46:41,100
they turn into transformative

1248
00:46:47,420 --> 00:46:44,730
experiences then they fall into that

1249
00:46:49,340 --> 00:46:47,430
list that Joel holds read so so

1250
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:49,350
eloquently or that you know he just

1251
00:46:54,500 --> 00:46:50,970
spoke off-the-cuff and I and I

1252
00:46:56,180 --> 00:46:54,510
transcribed yeah yeah I mean I would

1253
00:46:58,700 --> 00:46:56,190
actually I'd like that to be the case

1254
00:46:59,900 --> 00:46:58,710
but I don't know some some experiences

1255
00:47:02,210 --> 00:46:59,910
that I've heard about I'm sure you've

1256
00:47:04,310 --> 00:47:02,220
heard about obviously just as many as me

1257
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:04,320
probably way way more than me but some

1258
00:47:08,420 --> 00:47:06,930
of them seem pretty objectively negative

1259
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:08,430
when you're talking about burning

1260
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:10,650
needles being put in people's eyes and

1261
00:47:15,140 --> 00:47:12,570
these kind of things that they do

1262
00:47:18,050 --> 00:47:15,150
experience some type of pain maybe there

1263
00:47:20,990 --> 00:47:18,060
is a positive altruistic motive behind

1264
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:21,000
that I mean some medical procedures are

1265
00:47:25,700 --> 00:47:22,530
going to be painful even though there's

1266
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:25,710
a positive end result but when also I'll

1267
00:47:29,450 --> 00:47:27,690
say so that you know if you want to be a

1268
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:29,460
you know if you want to go have a

1269
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:31,050
visionary experience in Europe and

1270
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:33,210
you're a you know living out in the in

1271
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:35,370
the reservation in South Dakota you know

1272
00:47:41,390 --> 00:47:37,530
you go off into the to the plains and

1273
00:47:43,220 --> 00:47:41,400
you take Eagle talons and put them

1274
00:47:45,850 --> 00:47:43,230
through you the skin of your nipples on

1275
00:47:49,580 --> 00:47:45,860
your chest and you have your village

1276
00:47:52,370 --> 00:47:49,590
members you know haul you up and suspend

1277
00:47:53,810 --> 00:47:52,380
you like that until you until you break

1278
00:47:57,050 --> 00:47:53,820
free and drop to the ground again I mean

1279
00:47:59,240 --> 00:47:57,060
that's that's route that's part of the

1280
00:48:01,430 --> 00:47:59,250
visionary experience and that shows up

1281
00:48:02,750 --> 00:48:01,440
in one form or other in all kinds of you

1282
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:02,760
know religious ceremonies we know the

1283
00:48:05,330 --> 00:48:04,410
Catholicism thing where you like you to

1284
00:48:08,090 --> 00:48:05,340
whip your own back with a

1285
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:08,100
cat-o'-nine-tails and I mean so that is

1286
00:48:15,260 --> 00:48:12,210
not without precedent in a

1287
00:48:18,740 --> 00:48:15,270
transformative visionary experience

1288
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:18,750
that's true so yes so is it I mean our

1289
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:20,610
people physically getting needles put

1290
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:21,810
into their eyes that very well could be

1291
00:48:25,580 --> 00:48:23,610
up certainly read plenty of accounts of

1292
00:48:28,550 --> 00:48:25,590
that is it some sort of visionary

1293
00:48:32,060 --> 00:48:28,560
experience is it is it just as symbolic

1294
00:48:34,670 --> 00:48:32,070
as the four foot tall owl on out of the

1295
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:34,680
road is something else happening you

1296
00:48:37,820 --> 00:48:35,970
know so I don't have an answer to these

1297
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:37,830
questions but it is to me worth

1298
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:41,490
wrestling with mm-hmm right yeah we're

1299
00:48:44,630 --> 00:48:42,330
not going to get through a lot of

1300
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:44,640
conclusions today but it's still quite

1301
00:48:50,630 --> 00:48:48,210
fun in terms of just the proximity of

1302
00:48:53,329 --> 00:48:50,640
real owl to or

1303
00:48:55,220 --> 00:48:53,339
herbs and UFOs one curiosity you do

1304
00:48:56,720 --> 00:48:55,230
mention it early in the book and it

1305
00:48:58,940 --> 00:48:56,730
seems like you kind of evolved from it

1306
00:49:01,069 --> 00:48:58,950
but might there be some type of energy

1307
00:49:04,609 --> 00:49:01,079
or frequency that we don't recognize

1308
00:49:07,370 --> 00:49:04,619
that relates to spiritual or alien

1309
00:49:11,089 --> 00:49:07,380
experiences that owls can sensor are

1310
00:49:13,579 --> 00:49:11,099
attracted to yeah I mean that's I mean

1311
00:49:16,609 --> 00:49:13,589
that like so is the UFO right so the UFO

1312
00:49:18,470 --> 00:49:16,619
has all kinds of odd things that take

1313
00:49:20,269 --> 00:49:18,480
place right so you know UFOs are oddly

1314
00:49:21,950 --> 00:49:20,279
silent you know they make almost they

1315
00:49:24,500 --> 00:49:21,960
not only do they not make noise they

1316
00:49:26,210 --> 00:49:24,510
like suck any available noise out of the

1317
00:49:28,099 --> 00:49:26,220
environment so it's not you know when

1318
00:49:30,319 --> 00:49:28,109
people say like oh without this UFO flew

1319
00:49:32,870 --> 00:49:30,329
over my head it was quiet they don't say

1320
00:49:34,430 --> 00:49:32,880
it's quiet there they though so hammer

1321
00:49:36,769 --> 00:49:34,440
at home and say like the crickets stop

1322
00:49:38,559 --> 00:49:36,779
the crunching of leaves stop so you know

1323
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:38,569
the wind in the trees stopped it was

1324
00:49:44,269 --> 00:49:42,210
weirdly silent the UFO flies past in it

1325
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:44,279
and that's been the sound returns now

1326
00:49:50,660 --> 00:49:48,690
that's very common so as a you know like

1327
00:49:53,059 --> 00:49:50,670
we could sit at a you know with a with a

1328
00:49:55,460 --> 00:49:53,069
material scientist who does you know

1329
00:49:56,870 --> 00:49:55,470
work with with you know magnets or

1330
00:49:58,759 --> 00:49:56,880
something like that and we could then

1331
00:50:00,109 --> 00:49:58,769
postulate like oh let's say this they're

1332
00:50:02,509 --> 00:50:00,119
the operating system of the flying

1333
00:50:05,749 --> 00:50:02,519
saucer is using some advanced technology

1334
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:05,759
that distorts the fabric of sound or the

1335
00:50:10,609 --> 00:50:07,410
fabric of reality in some subtle way

1336
00:50:13,059 --> 00:50:10,619
that we perceive as silence now if

1337
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:13,069
there's any animal on earth that is

1338
00:50:20,420 --> 00:50:17,970
attuned to have amazing hearing I will

1339
00:50:22,220 --> 00:50:20,430
have amazing eyesight but their hearing

1340
00:50:23,990 --> 00:50:22,230
is actually considered much better than

1341
00:50:26,990 --> 00:50:24,000
their eyesight so they can see into the

1342
00:50:29,599 --> 00:50:27,000
dark and they can they can hear a mouse

1343
00:50:31,759 --> 00:50:29,609
you know rustling around on the forest

1344
00:50:33,829 --> 00:50:31,769
floor a half a mile away so we're

1345
00:50:36,339 --> 00:50:33,839
talking about an animal that's you know

1346
00:50:39,829 --> 00:50:36,349
that can fly at night through the trees

1347
00:50:44,660 --> 00:50:39,839
they are uniquely attuned to perhaps

1348
00:50:47,620 --> 00:50:44,670
hearing or sensing or seeing whatever it

1349
00:50:50,210 --> 00:50:47,630
is that makes these UFO is fly around

1350
00:50:52,789 --> 00:50:50,220
you know my cap in the book I referenced

1351
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:52,799
my cat in Essex near the heater right so

1352
00:50:56,809 --> 00:50:54,690
here's up here's a physical machine it

1353
00:50:58,400 --> 00:50:56,819
has a it has a measurable output you

1354
00:51:02,029 --> 00:50:58,410
know like warm air comes out of a little

1355
00:51:03,549 --> 00:51:02,039
vent my cat has a behavior it seeks that

1356
00:51:05,259 --> 00:51:03,559
out it's it's near it

1357
00:51:07,479 --> 00:51:05,269
is there something as simple as that

1358
00:51:10,420 --> 00:51:07,489
going on with the owls you know this is

1359
00:51:12,489 --> 00:51:10,430
the UFO just a glorified dog whistle

1360
00:51:14,380 --> 00:51:12,499
that attracts the owl so that's one way

1361
00:51:16,089 --> 00:51:14,390
to look on it now that actually that's a

1362
00:51:17,650 --> 00:51:16,099
wonderful Avenue of speculation I think

1363
00:51:20,319 --> 00:51:17,660
I exhausted in the book but there's more

1364
00:51:23,819 --> 00:51:20,329
to it because it just gets so mysterious

1365
00:51:26,319 --> 00:51:23,829
and it just gets so like laden with

1366
00:51:29,170 --> 00:51:26,329
symbology and sort of archetypal

1367
00:51:31,779 --> 00:51:29,180
overlays at a certain point perhaps that

1368
00:51:33,370 --> 00:51:31,789
might be partially true in my senses

1369
00:51:36,910 --> 00:51:33,380
it's less that the I think that the

1370
00:51:41,259 --> 00:51:36,920
grand chess player of reality is setting

1371
00:51:43,749 --> 00:51:41,269
that owl in place near the abductee the

1372
00:51:46,029 --> 00:51:43,759
same way that I would set upon on a

1373
00:51:47,469 --> 00:51:46,039
different square that would just be one

1374
00:51:50,109 --> 00:51:47,479
move in the game I would you know the

1375
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:50,119
pawn would then be set alongside the

1376
00:51:55,359 --> 00:51:52,729
bishop let's say that's my sense is that

1377
00:51:57,689 --> 00:51:55,369
there's somehow the fabric of reality is

1378
00:51:59,849 --> 00:51:57,699
being Oh

1379
00:52:01,059 --> 00:51:59,859
manipulated is the wrong term it's being

1380
00:52:03,309 --> 00:52:01,069
stage-managed

1381
00:52:05,979 --> 00:52:03,319
the same way you would you would do it

1382
00:52:08,410 --> 00:52:05,989
on a for a theatrical play and these

1383
00:52:10,449 --> 00:52:08,420
these characters are making their

1384
00:52:12,579 --> 00:52:10,459
appearance and then stepping off the

1385
00:52:14,469 --> 00:52:12,589
play outfit off the stage so the owl

1386
00:52:16,449 --> 00:52:14,479
would make an its appearance you would

1387
00:52:18,779 --> 00:52:16,459
have a there's a there's an archetypal

1388
00:52:22,439 --> 00:52:18,789
power to these owls and then they would

1389
00:52:24,549 --> 00:52:22,449
they're imbued with some sort of

1390
00:52:27,130 --> 00:52:24,559
subconscious energy now I'm getting way

1391
00:52:28,509 --> 00:52:27,140
out on a limb here so so uh but but I

1392
00:52:30,999 --> 00:52:28,519
feel they're being impeded they can't

1393
00:52:32,439 --> 00:52:31,009
archetype this is a gay you know like

1394
00:52:35,229 --> 00:52:32,449
there are archetypal things you know the

1395
00:52:37,870 --> 00:52:35,239
hero Luke Skywalker is an archetype an

1396
00:52:41,199 --> 00:52:37,880
owl is an archetype it is imbued with

1397
00:52:43,660 --> 00:52:41,209
some deeper meaning and that we can

1398
00:52:44,979 --> 00:52:43,670
sense it almost on a cellular level like

1399
00:52:48,069 --> 00:52:44,989
you know within our deeper consciousness

1400
00:52:50,009 --> 00:52:48,079
and so it brings with it a deeper

1401
00:52:52,509 --> 00:52:50,019
meaning so now landing on a branch

1402
00:52:54,459 --> 00:52:52,519
happens all the time in the forest it

1403
00:52:56,859 --> 00:52:54,469
happens at a certain point in a certain

1404
00:52:59,679 --> 00:52:56,869
person's life at a certain key moment

1405
00:53:01,870 --> 00:52:59,689
you know that that's imbued with

1406
00:53:03,309 --> 00:53:01,880
something more powerful how it happens

1407
00:53:06,039 --> 00:53:03,319
why it happens is all just speculation

1408
00:53:08,829 --> 00:53:06,049
but but it certainly seems to it

1409
00:53:10,870 --> 00:53:08,839
certainly does seem to happen yeah and

1410
00:53:13,660 --> 00:53:10,880
if we want to really ramp the weird up

1411
00:53:15,910 --> 00:53:13,670
to 11 I've had a lot of guests talk

1412
00:53:16,900 --> 00:53:15,920
about the idea that we are in some type

1413
00:53:19,299 --> 00:53:16,910
of

1414
00:53:20,829 --> 00:53:19,309
simulated environment or just an

1415
00:53:22,900 --> 00:53:20,839
environment that is being heavily

1416
00:53:25,539 --> 00:53:22,910
monitored from a higher level with

1417
00:53:27,700 --> 00:53:25,549
absolutely audience analysis you know if

1418
00:53:30,700 --> 00:53:27,710
we want to get really weird could always

1419
00:53:34,180 --> 00:53:30,710
be some type of agents of these Watchers

1420
00:53:37,620 --> 00:53:34,190
of some kind some kind of liaison the

1421
00:53:41,140 --> 00:53:37,630
some type of information gather that

1422
00:53:45,549 --> 00:53:41,150
seems to be a middleman between those

1423
00:53:47,650 --> 00:53:45,559
observers and and us a biological drone

1424
00:53:49,749 --> 00:53:47,660
I mean there is no animal tackle a more

1425
00:53:51,039 --> 00:53:49,759
perfectly suited right so you see

1426
00:53:51,910 --> 00:53:51,049
instead of building a little machine

1427
00:53:55,359 --> 00:53:51,920
right

1428
00:53:57,009 --> 00:53:55,369
you just co-opt the consciousness of a

1429
00:54:00,009 --> 00:53:57,019
bird that can see in the dark

1430
00:54:02,019 --> 00:54:00,019
can fly silently and that has amazing

1431
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:02,029
hearing right so if I'm having this

1432
00:54:07,150 --> 00:54:05,210
conversation here an owl can sit you

1433
00:54:08,950 --> 00:54:07,160
know I'm quite certain an owl could sit

1434
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:08,960
50 yards away from the window and hear

1435
00:54:12,729 --> 00:54:10,970
every single word I'm saying more

1436
00:54:16,829 --> 00:54:12,739
clearly than any technological

1437
00:54:20,950 --> 00:54:18,969
that's what now we're talking man

1438
00:54:22,900 --> 00:54:20,960
because when you get into the aspect

1439
00:54:25,930 --> 00:54:22,910
that greys seem to morph into these

1440
00:54:28,499 --> 00:54:25,940
things on occasion or even orbs now that

1441
00:54:32,380 --> 00:54:28,509
sounds like some type of biological

1442
00:54:34,329 --> 00:54:32,390
technology yeah and do I donate do I

1443
00:54:35,859 --> 00:54:34,339
have a story even orb morphing into a to

1444
00:54:37,839 --> 00:54:35,869
an owl in the book anywhere I don't know

1445
00:54:40,420 --> 00:54:37,849
if I do he not specifically maybe not

1446
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:40,430
specifically but in the proximity so I

1447
00:54:43,479 --> 00:54:41,930
thought that perhaps there was some

1448
00:54:45,549 --> 00:54:43,489
overlap okay because I could have a

1449
00:54:48,489 --> 00:54:45,559
great story for this young guy from New

1450
00:54:49,690 --> 00:54:48,499
Zealand and he had been recording this

1451
00:54:50,979 --> 00:54:49,700
is nothing that shows up just people

1452
00:54:52,660 --> 00:54:50,989
like can I've got all this footage if

1453
00:54:54,069 --> 00:54:52,670
UFOs nobody wants paying attention I've

1454
00:54:55,599 --> 00:54:54,079
just got one you know he's been

1455
00:54:59,680 --> 00:54:55,609
collecting all this video footage of

1456
00:55:01,029 --> 00:54:59,690
orbs and he actually had to quote

1457
00:55:04,150 --> 00:55:01,039
directly in the book okay I'm gonna do

1458
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:04,160
it paraphrased from my head so he sees

1459
00:55:08,229 --> 00:55:06,130
his beautiful orbs goes in the house

1460
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:08,239
documents it right away so it's dumped

1461
00:55:12,339 --> 00:55:10,729
the computer he sent me a long list of

1462
00:55:14,469 --> 00:55:12,349
his documentation is pretty dry right

1463
00:55:16,059 --> 00:55:14,479
you know 7:30 p.m. you know on this

1464
00:55:19,809 --> 00:55:16,069
night northeast direction I saw this

1465
00:55:22,059 --> 00:55:19,819
work this documentation says something

1466
00:55:25,269 --> 00:55:22,069
like why is this happening what does

1467
00:55:27,940 --> 00:55:25,279
this mean why me you know these big

1468
00:55:29,529 --> 00:55:27,950
profound questions there must be more

1469
00:55:30,579 --> 00:55:29,539
importantly some gamin so we asked these

1470
00:55:32,769 --> 00:55:30,589
questions

1471
00:55:35,859 --> 00:55:32,779
then they walk back outside and there's

1472
00:55:37,269 --> 00:55:35,869
an orb hovering above a power line so

1473
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:37,279
he's looking up at this any realizes

1474
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:39,410
there's an owl on the power line so he's

1475
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:41,210
looking at the owl the owl looking at

1476
00:55:44,079 --> 00:55:42,890
the orb and then they're all kind of it

1477
00:55:45,309 --> 00:55:44,089
seems like all three are kind of

1478
00:55:46,839 --> 00:55:45,319
checking each other out you know the owl

1479
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:46,849
is checking him out they always checking

1480
00:55:51,670 --> 00:55:48,410
or about the you know the orb is kind of

1481
00:55:54,910 --> 00:55:51,680
you know seems to be very aware of this

1482
00:55:57,459 --> 00:55:54,920
whole thing so the important part of

1483
00:55:59,709 --> 00:55:57,469
that is that there was a like an

1484
00:56:03,599 --> 00:55:59,719
internal questioning you know why me

1485
00:56:06,309 --> 00:56:03,609
what does it all mean and then in a way

1486
00:56:08,469 --> 00:56:06,319
an answer is the wrong way but it was

1487
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:08,479
certainly not an answer but but he has a

1488
00:56:14,650 --> 00:56:11,450
follow up experience a minute later less

1489
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:14,660
than a minute later of an owl in an

1490
00:56:22,329 --> 00:56:18,170
orbit together an owl the symbolic totem

1491
00:56:23,709 --> 00:56:22,339
of these you know like I don't state it

1492
00:56:26,259 --> 00:56:23,719
clearly in the book and it's interesting

1493
00:56:28,599 --> 00:56:26,269
because I almost feel like I've come to

1494
00:56:31,630 --> 00:56:28,609
a deeper genesis in the year that the

1495
00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:31,640
book has been out where the owl I feel

1496
00:56:38,170 --> 00:56:35,170
is a the totem animal of the

1497
00:56:39,700 --> 00:56:38,180
transformational process and it's not an

1498
00:56:41,380 --> 00:56:39,710
easy transformation now some

1499
00:56:44,380 --> 00:56:41,390
transformations are easy right you know

1500
00:56:45,999 --> 00:56:44,390
you do you just become an adult right

1501
00:56:47,499 --> 00:56:46,009
and there's like the things that happen

1502
00:56:48,999 --> 00:56:47,509
along the way and maybe it's a struggle

1503
00:56:51,490 --> 00:56:49,009
but you know so that transformation just

1504
00:56:59,920 --> 00:56:54,810
the transformational process of a more

1505
00:57:01,480 --> 00:56:59,930
profound and spiritual process or

1506
00:57:04,060 --> 00:57:01,490
transformation that takes place and I

1507
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:04,070
feel that the owl is the is the totem of

1508
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:07,010
that process of that transformational

1509
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:09,890
process yeah I can totally see that

1510
00:57:14,410 --> 00:57:11,330
after getting through the book and all

1511
00:57:15,910 --> 00:57:14,420
the stories that are in it but man great

1512
00:57:18,070 --> 00:57:15,920
time talking to you Mike

1513
00:57:21,130 --> 00:57:18,080
you really have secured yourself as the

1514
00:57:22,780 --> 00:57:21,140
king of owl weirdness well it's actually

1515
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:22,790
been I mean it's funny because I even

1516
00:57:25,690 --> 00:57:23,810
said this before because you're not the

1517
00:57:27,910 --> 00:57:25,700
first person I said it did not I did not

1518
00:57:30,730 --> 00:57:27,920
pick this it pick me mm-hmm

1519
00:57:32,410 --> 00:57:30,740
yeah well before we go please remind the

1520
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:32,420
people where they can get your book

1521
00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:34,490
follow up on your blog or contact you

1522
00:57:39,340 --> 00:57:37,090
with any of their own related stories

1523
00:57:42,370 --> 00:57:39,350
I'm easy to find you can just google my

1524
00:57:43,690 --> 00:57:42,380
name Mike Cleland owls I am not only the

1525
00:57:45,310 --> 00:57:43,700
first thing that comes up in like the

1526
00:57:46,750 --> 00:57:45,320
first 10 things that comes up if you

1527
00:57:49,330 --> 00:57:46,760
need I'll rephrase that you can just

1528
00:57:50,980 --> 00:57:49,340
google UFO is an owl and I'm the first

1529
00:57:54,220 --> 00:57:50,990
10 or so things that come up on that

1530
00:57:57,100 --> 00:57:54,230
list my blog is hidden experience dot

1531
00:57:58,780 --> 00:57:57,110
blog spot.com you can just google my

1532
00:58:01,330 --> 00:57:58,790
name and hidden experience and they'll

1533
00:58:03,070 --> 00:58:01,340
come right up from there you can get the

1534
00:58:04,750 --> 00:58:03,080
book the book is available on Amazon um

1535
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:04,760
it has been selling remarkably well

1536
00:58:09,310 --> 00:58:06,650
given that it's kind of a niche market a

1537
00:58:11,740 --> 00:58:09,320
little esoteric thing and I was also

1538
00:58:13,780 --> 00:58:11,750
kind of intimidating book I I made a

1539
00:58:15,940 --> 00:58:13,790
terrible mistake in a way by making such

1540
00:58:17,350 --> 00:58:15,950
a sick book because it's a little

1541
00:58:19,390 --> 00:58:17,360
intimidating to hold in your hand I

1542
00:58:22,090 --> 00:58:19,400
worked hard to make the writing engaging

1543
00:58:25,060 --> 00:58:22,100
and so zip so long but um at the same

1544
00:58:27,340 --> 00:58:25,070
time I really couldn't figure out what

1545
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:27,350
to pull out yes so the book is available

1546
00:58:32,950 --> 00:58:30,410
and yeah either those places you can

1547
00:58:34,870 --> 00:58:32,960
google my name or google owls and UFOs

1548
00:58:37,180 --> 00:58:34,880
it'll come up very cool

1549
00:58:38,470 --> 00:58:37,190
well I had a great time hopefully we can

1550
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:38,480
do it again in the future any other

1551
00:58:41,230 --> 00:58:40,370
strange subjects on your horizon you

1552
00:58:42,940 --> 00:58:41,240
mentioned you were working on a

1553
00:58:44,470 --> 00:58:42,950
follow-up book I believe right well the

1554
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:44,480
follow-up because again an owl so this

1555
00:58:49,270 --> 00:58:46,610
is the follow book is a longer more

1556
00:58:51,310 --> 00:58:49,280
complex stories that I just simply could

1557
00:58:53,850 --> 00:58:51,320
not fit into the first book I had a

1558
00:58:55,990 --> 00:58:53,860
collection of them and they are um I

1559
00:58:57,970 --> 00:58:56,000
mean I've got a lot of them so I've got

1560
00:59:00,160 --> 00:58:57,980
about 16 the book should read is like a

1561
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:00,170
book of short stories it'll probably be

1562
00:59:03,790 --> 00:59:01,970
a little bit under 200 pages so much

1563
00:59:04,590 --> 00:59:03,800
more modest book than this big fat book

1564
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:04,600
here on my desk

1565
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:06,490
in front of me now and that was this be

1566
00:59:09,780 --> 00:59:08,170
called a story through the messengers

1567
00:59:11,610 --> 00:59:09,790
and it'll be a companion to this so

1568
00:59:13,710 --> 00:59:11,620
they'll should sit on the shelf side by

1569
00:59:15,210 --> 00:59:13,720
side as a nice tidy couple so if you've

1570
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:15,220
read one that you know the next one

1571
00:59:18,810 --> 00:59:17,410
would should be a you know keep your

1572
00:59:19,980 --> 00:59:18,820
interest and I think it'll be a

1573
00:59:21,780 --> 00:59:19,990
standalone book where you don't really

1574
00:59:24,390 --> 00:59:21,790
need to read the thick one in order to

1575
00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:24,400
read the thin one nice well I look

1576
00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:26,530
forward to that and definitely thanks

1577
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:27,850
for talking to me today I couldn't have

1578
00:59:31,710 --> 00:59:30,010
done it without you and take care of my

1579
00:59:32,190 --> 00:59:31,720
good man thank you so much this was

1580
00:59:36,870 --> 00:59:32,200
great

1581
00:59:39,990 --> 00:59:36,880
you got it all right people Mike Cleland

1582
00:59:42,450 --> 00:59:40,000
closing out the month of January I think

1583
00:59:44,390 --> 00:59:42,460
he covers some interesting ground right

1584
00:59:47,310 --> 00:59:44,400
owls are one of the most fascinating

1585
00:59:49,790 --> 00:59:47,320
animals and association with shamanism

1586
00:59:52,830 --> 00:59:49,800
and alien seems to be pretty established

1587
00:59:55,140 --> 00:59:52,840
and I just think it's a good return to

1588
00:59:57,450 --> 00:59:55,150
the paranormal side of the coin THC has

1589
00:59:59,550 --> 00:59:57,460
been pretty political lately the whole

1590
01:00:01,830 --> 00:59:59,560
world has really and it's good to take a

1591
01:00:04,470 --> 01:00:01,840
little bit of a breather but I'd say

1592
01:00:07,410 --> 01:00:04,480
this is definitely a worthy higher side

1593
01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:07,420
style exploration big thanks to Mike for

1594
01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:09,130
being here and for doing all the work

1595
01:00:12,930 --> 01:00:11,530
putting this together I don't have too

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01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:12,940
much to add here but of course if you

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01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:15,130
like the first hour the plus show got

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01:00:20,340 --> 01:00:17,890
into conspiratorial angles Bohemian

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01:00:23,670 --> 01:00:20,350
Grove the hidden owl symbol on the

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dollar bill connections to Athena told

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01:00:29,610 --> 01:00:25,810
of course some more great owl related

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01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:29,620
stories and Chris Knowles actually that

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01:00:32,610 --> 01:00:30,970
we all know and love he makes an

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01:00:35,130 --> 01:00:32,620
appearance in Mike's book with his own

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01:00:37,770 --> 01:00:35,140
connections to the material we got into

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01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:37,780
the trickster elements at play and one

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01:00:43,530 --> 01:00:39,970
of my favorite parts we got into Bill

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01:00:46,470 --> 01:00:43,540
Hicks UFO sighting Mike spoke to his

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01:00:49,740 --> 01:00:46,480
friend Kevin booth at length in person

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01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:49,750
so we got to hear a pretty close to

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01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:53,170
first-hand account of a shared UFO

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01:00:58,080 --> 01:00:55,810
experience with Bill Hicks talked about

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01:01:01,320 --> 01:00:58,090
the connection with mushrooms sacred

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01:01:04,530 --> 01:01:01,330
spaces and crop circles charged areas

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01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:04,540
and the owl and of course my own owl

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01:01:10,020 --> 01:01:07,210
related sinks when preparing for this

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01:01:12,660 --> 01:01:10,030
interview so a lot of good stuff sign up

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for plus if you're interested in the

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01:01:17,730 --> 01:01:15,040
second hour of this interview and all

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01:01:18,460 --> 01:01:17,740
the interviews that I do here if anyone

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01:01:20,530 --> 01:01:18,470
out there has

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01:01:21,790 --> 01:01:20,540
owls stories of their own I'm sure Mike

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01:01:23,380 --> 01:01:21,800
would love to hear them if he hasn't

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01:01:25,180 --> 01:01:23,390
been burnt out already

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01:01:27,339 --> 01:01:25,190
but the world is the weird place what

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01:01:29,950 --> 01:01:27,349
can I say I've done what I can

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01:01:35,890 --> 01:01:29,960
your move aliens orbs and owls whatever

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01:01:41,589 --> 01:01:35,900
you are you're welcome this

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01:01:51,210 --> 01:01:41,599
morning we die in my eye and then

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01:02:04,630 --> 01:01:51,220
realized it was just outside it was like

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01:02:07,490 --> 01:02:04,640
coming down from the sky Muskego

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stranger

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every night sausage a flight with people

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01:02:38,839 --> 01:02:22,349
a time the blue brings whooping oh man

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01:02:41,570 --> 01:02:38,849
the top I make it home Faceman also

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01:02:51,940 --> 01:02:41,580
please take me along

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01:02:56,650 --> 01:02:51,950
how long do anything wrong hey mr. faces

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01:03:05,280 --> 01:02:56,660
all to please hit me alone haha

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01:03:05,290 --> 01:03:16,310
why we I had live in my bed but - hey

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01:03:16,320 --> 01:03:24,420
open my window they written my me

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01:03:35,860 --> 01:03:32,230
[Music]

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Oh Katie how long do anything wrong all

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01:04:22,450 --> 01:03:51,500
you clean

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01:04:46,460 --> 01:04:45,080
haha take me the hi hey guys thanks for

1645
01:04:48,620 --> 01:04:46,470
listening to the first hour of the

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01:04:50,660 --> 01:04:48,630
higher side chats podcast with me Greg

1647
01:04:52,550 --> 01:04:50,670
Carl wood if you don't know there is a

1648
01:04:54,650 --> 01:04:52,560
second hour to all the episodes we do

1649
01:04:56,420 --> 01:04:54,660
around here generally we're able to get

1650
01:04:58,790 --> 01:04:56,430
a lot deeper into the topics and ideas

1651
01:05:00,920 --> 01:04:58,800
that a guest is about so if you enjoyed

1652
01:05:03,050 --> 01:05:00,930
what you've heard from THC for free

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01:05:05,570 --> 01:05:03,060
consider signing up at the higher side

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chats plus com to get the second hour of

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01:05:09,800 --> 01:05:07,770
the five shows I put together each month

1656
01:05:11,990 --> 01:05:09,810
I never really wanted to be a paid

1657
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:12,000
subscriber podcast but I really hate the

1658
01:05:16,010 --> 01:05:14,010
idea of spending airtime promoting some

1659
01:05:17,810 --> 01:05:16,020
product that's completely unrelated and

1660
01:05:20,030 --> 01:05:17,820
telling you the best way to support the

1661
01:05:22,099 --> 01:05:20,040
show is to buy an audiobook or new

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01:05:24,079 --> 01:05:22,109
underwear by mail or something crazy

1663
01:05:26,120 --> 01:05:24,089
like that so instead if you like the

1664
01:05:27,950 --> 01:05:26,130
show double your time with it for five

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01:05:29,750 --> 01:05:27,960
bucks a month and let's cut out all the

1666
01:05:31,250 --> 01:05:29,760
other it's half the price of a

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01:05:33,040 --> 01:05:31,260
movie ticket and you get at least an

1668
01:05:35,420 --> 01:05:33,050
extra five hours of show a month

1669
01:05:37,190 --> 01:05:35,430
collectively it keeps us stable and it

1670
01:05:38,900 --> 01:05:37,200
frees me from wasting your time with

1671
01:05:41,210 --> 01:05:38,910
anything but the show you came to listen

1672
01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:41,220
to it's really the only way for an

1673
01:05:45,140 --> 01:05:43,290
independent one-man show to make it and

1674
01:05:47,390 --> 01:05:45,150
I do what I can so that it's worth your

1675
01:05:49,130 --> 01:05:47,400
while since we started this I've always

1676
01:05:51,140 --> 01:05:49,140
tried to use the subscriptions to

1677
01:05:53,720 --> 01:05:51,150
improve the podcast and make signups

1678
01:05:55,640 --> 01:05:53,730
more advantageous it started with just a

1679
01:05:57,290 --> 01:05:55,650
second hour for the main show but now

1680
01:05:59,329 --> 01:05:57,300
we've got a nice forum going where

1681
01:06:01,070 --> 01:05:59,339
people can get deeper in conversation

1682
01:06:03,950 --> 01:06:01,080
about the episodes with other listeners

1683
01:06:05,859 --> 01:06:03,960
submit a candidate in the guest request

1684
01:06:07,880 --> 01:06:05,869
thread or share their own personal

1685
01:06:09,950 --> 01:06:07,890
projects to get out of the soul-crushing

1686
01:06:11,860 --> 01:06:09,960
nine-to-five cog in the wheel life on

1687
01:06:13,570 --> 01:06:11,870
the entrepreneurs thread

1688
01:06:15,610 --> 01:06:13,580
the four amend the plus comments are

1689
01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:15,620
always the first places I try to go for

1690
01:06:19,240 --> 01:06:17,450
listener engagement but it does get

1691
01:06:21,580 --> 01:06:19,250
harder as the show gets more popular

1692
01:06:23,260 --> 01:06:21,590
because of that there's also a direct

1693
01:06:25,750 --> 01:06:23,270
messaging feature that you can use to

1694
01:06:27,370 --> 01:06:25,760
reach me through the plus site also well

1695
01:06:29,560 --> 01:06:27,380
beyond the forum if you like any of the

1696
01:06:31,150 --> 01:06:29,570
music I've used for THC most of it

1697
01:06:33,130 --> 01:06:31,160
I've hired artists to make and I

1698
01:06:35,140 --> 01:06:33,140
provided all it's free downloads to plus

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01:06:36,670 --> 01:06:35,150
members too so if you like a particular

1700
01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:36,680
song you've heard close the show out

1701
01:06:41,260 --> 01:06:39,770
recently come get the mp3 I should also

1702
01:06:43,240 --> 01:06:41,270
mention that if you don't like the idea

1703
01:06:45,490 --> 01:06:43,250
of paying five dollars recurring every

1704
01:06:47,860 --> 01:06:45,500
month I get that you can buy three

1705
01:06:48,910 --> 01:06:47,870
months six months or a year upfront and

1706
01:06:50,650 --> 01:06:48,920
just be done with it

1707
01:06:52,420 --> 01:06:50,660
I have plenty of listeners who send

1708
01:06:54,910 --> 01:06:52,430
checks and money orders to the PIO box

1709
01:06:56,770 --> 01:06:54,920
too I try to make it as easy for people

1710
01:06:58,510 --> 01:06:56,780
as I can and you can read more about it

1711
01:07:01,120 --> 01:06:58,520
on the sign up page also be sure to

1712
01:07:02,680 --> 01:07:01,130
check out the FAQ help page on the plus

1713
01:07:04,060 --> 01:07:02,690
side if you have any questions or

1714
01:07:06,130 --> 01:07:04,070
concerns about how to listen to a

1715
01:07:08,020 --> 01:07:06,140
password-protected show on your devices

1716
01:07:10,300 --> 01:07:08,030
I've highlighted a lot of great

1717
01:07:12,340 --> 01:07:10,310
solutions and one of those would be the

1718
01:07:14,890 --> 01:07:12,350
iPhone app that just recently hit the

1719
01:07:17,020 --> 01:07:14,900
Apple App Store a super kind and

1720
01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:17,030
talented listener made it for us and you

1721
01:07:21,040 --> 01:07:18,890
can use it to stream or download either

1722
01:07:24,010 --> 01:07:21,050
the free or the plus show if you're on

1723
01:07:25,600 --> 01:07:24,020
Android I'd use pocket casts or podcast

1724
01:07:28,180 --> 01:07:25,610
addict and subscribe to the feed

1725
01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:28,190
manually that way I also try to throw an

1726
01:07:32,860 --> 01:07:30,890
occasional bonus shows or QA shows and

1727
01:07:35,050 --> 01:07:32,870
I've got a few other weird ideas I might

1728
01:07:36,970 --> 01:07:35,060
get to try out soon but I give you all I

1729
01:07:38,650 --> 01:07:36,980
can for five bucks and I hope you'll at

1730
01:07:40,390 --> 01:07:38,660
least give it a shot if you've listened

1731
01:07:42,100 --> 01:07:40,400
to a few free shows and you find them

1732
01:07:43,930 --> 01:07:42,110
unique or valuable I know there's a lot

1733
01:07:46,090 --> 01:07:43,940
of podcasts out there and I'm just one

1734
01:07:47,890 --> 01:07:46,100
of them but if you have any questions

1735
01:07:49,420 --> 01:07:47,900
concerns or comments about any of this

1736
01:07:52,300 --> 01:07:49,430
please get in touch with us at the

1737
01:07:54,220 --> 01:07:52,310
higher side chats team at gmail.com I

1738
01:07:55,630 --> 01:07:54,230
also wanted to plug the higher side

1739
01:07:57,460 --> 01:07:55,640
newsletter I'm going to be putting out

1740
01:07:59,920 --> 01:07:57,470
totally free for anyone who wants to

1741
01:08:02,530 --> 01:07:59,930
sign up at the main internet website for

1742
01:08:04,360 --> 01:08:02,540
the show the higher side chats calm you

1743
01:08:06,010 --> 01:08:04,370
can also get on that email list through

1744
01:08:08,230 --> 01:08:06,020
the higher side chats Facebook page

1745
01:08:09,610 --> 01:08:08,240
there's a button there as well but the

1746
01:08:12,070 --> 01:08:09,620
reason I'm doing this is because I get

1747
01:08:14,170 --> 01:08:12,080
tons and tons of emails after a show

1748
01:08:16,059 --> 01:08:14,180
goes up asking me about how I feel about

1749
01:08:17,620 --> 01:08:16,069
a particular guest or topic and the

1750
01:08:19,630 --> 01:08:17,630
wrap-up isn't always the best place to

1751
01:08:21,610 --> 01:08:19,640
do that especially if I have anything

1752
01:08:23,470 --> 01:08:21,620
negative to say sometimes the dust needs

1753
01:08:25,240 --> 01:08:23,480
to settle sometimes they need to hear

1754
01:08:27,220 --> 01:08:25,250
feedback from you guys first

1755
01:08:29,079 --> 01:08:27,230
there are a lot of factors but I usually

1756
01:08:31,360 --> 01:08:29,089
have something to communicate to you and

1757
01:08:33,190 --> 01:08:31,370
I just don't get to do it so on the

1758
01:08:34,780 --> 01:08:33,200
first month I plan to send out a little

1759
01:08:37,150 --> 01:08:34,790
newsletter with my thoughts about the

1760
01:08:39,039 --> 01:08:37,160
five shows the previous month and talk

1761
01:08:41,200 --> 01:08:39,049
to you about anything else that's on my

1762
01:08:42,999 --> 01:08:41,210
mind or that's going on and what's

1763
01:08:44,559 --> 01:08:43,009
probably most enticing is and I'm going

1764
01:08:46,630 --> 01:08:44,569
to give you some insight into at least

1765
01:08:48,730 --> 01:08:46,640
one guess I have coming up in the month

1766
01:08:50,740 --> 01:08:48,740
which people have been begging for some

1767
01:08:52,570 --> 01:08:50,750
posted schedule for a long time I

1768
01:08:54,340 --> 01:08:52,580
personally think I'd like to surprise

1769
01:08:56,410 --> 01:08:54,350
but sign up for the higher side

1770
01:08:57,940 --> 01:08:56,420
newsletter it's free it comes out on the

1771
01:09:00,760 --> 01:08:57,950
1st of the month and I won't waste your

1772
01:09:02,710 --> 01:09:00,770
time with any other emails and that's it

1773
01:09:04,690 --> 01:09:02,720
I appreciate you listening I try to give

1774
01:09:07,329 --> 01:09:04,700
alternative ideas and guests a fair

1775
01:09:09,370 --> 01:09:07,339
shake on a high-quality podcast expose

1776
01:09:11,260 --> 01:09:09,380
some deep level conspiracies without the

1777
01:09:12,849 --> 01:09:11,270
yelling and I hope to offer some

1778
01:09:14,950 --> 01:09:12,859
inspiration that even though the system

1779
01:09:17,590 --> 01:09:14,960
relentlessly suggests you should follow

1780
01:09:19,180 --> 01:09:17,600
their blueprint to mediocrity you can do

1781
01:09:21,430 --> 01:09:19,190
your own thing and live a much happier

1782
01:09:23,260 --> 01:09:21,440
life despite all the negativity in the